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Old March 19th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #21
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I'll tell you about my experience and till this day I won't say it's a ghost, but it's the closest experience I had to it, so it sort of counts.

I used to rent a small cottage in Malvern a few years back. 7 years to be exact. Now Malvern is a small town just outside Durban (the main city in Kwa-Zulu Natal in South Africa). On most of the outskirts of these towns and cities you will find the worst areas where african people in shacks and on the streets etc. Now where I lived in Malvern, there was a forest (sort-of) just below us that lead to a river and not far from there you will find the border to one of these bad areas. But the forest area itself was very hard to traverse. I tried myself several times to get to the river and after seeing something big snaking it's way to me in the undergrowth, I decided to leave it alone. Not willing to risk my life just to get a nice walk.

Anyway, the first month or so things went fine and then one evening I heard something/someone shoveling in this forest area. The sound kept repeating itself consistently at regular intervals. I had a small kitten back then and the kitten showed some interest the first evening I heard it. It kept staring out onto the porch and I kept trying to see if there was anything in the dark, but couldn't see anything. So I ignored it for several nights.

(I did buy myself a dagger the one day and kept it near my bed since I felt a bit safer in case something happened)

Life went good till the one evening I came home and decided to close all the windows and door, since the wind was howling outside. It started to rain lightly and I made sure everything was shut tight in the cottage where I stayed. Now mind, there isn't many places anyone could hide or even be, since one of my friends were there that day and my kitten was there as well.

That evening I went to sleep and around 1 in the morning I woke with a terrible feeling. I heard the shoveling again and a vision of someone being buried crossed my mind but I shrugged it off. Still half asleep I reached out to touch my kitten and received a shock to find it sitting upright in the bed, hairs on end and it lightly hissing while it stared outside. I was totally freaked since his eyes were round and huge like he was seeing something that wasn't there.

I reached out and he looked briefly at me as if to say something was there and then kept staring. Now the lights were out and no windows were open and I felt a bit safe, but I was pretty much alone as my friend went out with her boyfriend and I was all by myself.

I reached underneath the pillow and thumbed the dagger, while staring into the blackness outside wondering what was there, when the kitten suddenly jumped up and edged more back towards me as his gaze turned to the stairs that lead to the atttic in the cottage. There were stairs leading down and he started going mad, like sort of hissing and sort of growl in it's throat if I can call it that since it's not a dog, but that is the closest I can think of what it is called.

I was thinking of getting off the bed to put the light on but I was frozen in place, waiting for something to happen. My heart pounded in fear and all I could do is stare at the place where the kitten was looking. The next minute a pure white cat came down the stairs. He didn't do anything except stare at me and the kitten with pitch black eyes and at this time my mind was racing with questions. How did a cat get into here; where did it come from? Tons of questions just ran in my head and all I could do was stare. My kitten became visible upset and almost were ontop of my lap as if it tried to protect me and I suddenly got the courage to jump up and turn the light on. As I did I turned to where the white cat disappeared underneath the couches and quickly got on hands and knees looking.

But nothing! Just silence and nothing. I inspected the windows and everywhere and I knew the cat didn't go back upstairs but I checked in any case. It just vanished.

That was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed in my entire life and because I checked the windows and the whole cottage, I knew there was no way a cat or a living thing could have been inside it unless I opened the windows.

That is the closest to a ghost story I will get.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 07:18 PM   #22
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I'll tell you about my experience and till this day I won't say it's a ghost, but it's the closest experience I had to it, so it sort of counts.

I used to rent a small cottage in Malvern a few years back. 7 years to be exact. Now Malvern is a small town just outside Durban (the main city in Kwa-Zulu Natal in South Africa). On most of the outskirts of these towns and cities you will find the worst areas where african people in shacks and on the streets etc. Now where I lived in Malvern, there was a forest (sort-of) just below us that lead to a river and not far from there you will find the border to one of these bad areas. But the forest area itself was very hard to traverse. I tried myself several times to get to the river and after seeing something big snaking it's way to me in the undergrowth, I decided to leave it alone. Not willing to risk my life just to get a nice walk.

Anyway, the first month or so things went fine and then one evening I heard something/someone shoveling in this forest area. The sound kept repeating itself consistently at regular intervals. I had a small kitten back then and the kitten showed some interest the first evening I heard it. It kept staring out onto the porch and I kept trying to see if there was anything in the dark, but couldn't see anything. So I ignored it for several nights.

(I did buy myself a dagger the one day and kept it near my bed since I felt a bit safer in case something happened)

Life went good till the one evening I came home and decided to close all the windows and door, since the wind was howling outside. It started to rain lightly and I made sure everything was shut tight in the cottage where I stayed. Now mind, there isn't many places anyone could hide or even be, since one of my friends were there that day and my kitten was there as well.

That evening I went to sleep and around 1 in the morning I woke with a terrible feeling. I heard the shoveling again and a vision of someone being buried crossed my mind but I shrugged it off. Still half asleep I reached out to touch my kitten and received a shock to find it sitting upright in the bed, hairs on end and it lightly hissing while it stared outside. I was totally freaked since his eyes were round and huge like he was seeing something that wasn't there.

I reached out and he looked briefly at me as if to say something was there and then kept staring. Now the lights were out and no windows were open and I felt a bit safe, but I was pretty much alone as my friend went out with her boyfriend and I was all by myself.

I reached underneath the pillow and thumbed the dagger, while staring into the blackness outside wondering what was there, when the kitten suddenly jumped up and edged more back towards me as his gaze turned to the stairs that lead to the atttic in the cottage. There were stairs leading down and he started going mad, like sort of hissing and sort of growl in it's throat if I can call it that since it's not a dog, but that is the closest I can think of what it is called.

I was thinking of getting off the bed to put the light on but I was frozen in place, waiting for something to happen. My heart pounded in fear and all I could do is stare at the place where the kitten was looking. The next minute a pure white cat came down the stairs. He didn't do anything except stare at me and the kitten with pitch black eyes and at this time my mind was racing with questions. How did a cat get into here; where did it come from? Tons of questions just ran in my head and all I could do was stare. My kitten became visible upset and almost were ontop of my lap as if it tried to protect me and I suddenly got the courage to jump up and turn the light on. As I did I turned to where the white cat disappeared underneath the couches and quickly got on hands and knees looking.

But nothing! Just silence and nothing. I inspected the windows and everywhere and I knew the cat didn't go back upstairs but I checked in any case. It just vanished.

That was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed in my entire life and because I checked the windows and the whole cottage, I knew there was no way a cat or a living thing could have been inside it unless I opened the windows.

That is the closest to a ghost story I will get.

Man, that's a pretty scary story - the kind you'd tell while camping. Had me pretty intrigued that's for sure. Can't say I've ever experienced anything like this - but I do get those feelings every once in a while that something isn't quite right - I generally shrug them off and think of it as my over-acting imagination.

Thanks for this story though
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Old March 20th, 2009, 01:04 AM   #23
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well it might be possible...according to Newton's third law of motion "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction...." If we approve the existence of God, we cann't disagree with the existence of ghosts aswell....
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Old March 20th, 2009, 09:04 AM   #24
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I do believe in the spiritual world. I think there are just some things science can't yet explain. I personally have not had a spiritual encounter but I know people who believe deep down in their soul who think they have. And I would consider these people to be pretty intelligent. And there are enough smarter people than me out there who devote their lives into searching into this topic and believe there is something there. Who am I to debate them? I don't believe in the Scooby-Doo ghosts, or Casper. But I do believe that there is a kind of limbo where spirits kinda stay on earth after death, not knowing what to do. I would hate that for me. Just let me die already!

But those are my views...
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And there are enough smarter people than me out there who devote their lives into searching into this topic and believe there is something there.
I don't really think there is anything "smart" about pseudoscience - maybe marketing wise, but that has nothing to do with the pseudoscience itself. To me it's all just a big money grab - and it actually works on some people. Same goes for astrology, psychics and all that nonsense.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #26
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I don't really think there is anything "smart" about pseudoscience - maybe marketing wise, but that has nothing to do with the pseudoscience itself. To me it's all just a big money grab - and it actually works on some people. Same goes for astrology, psychics and all that nonsense.
I agree with you on this- a lot of it is really for the money, especially the psychics. If anyone has ever seen Penn and Teller's "Bullshit", there is actually a great episode on psychics and how they make it seem like they are reading minds or telling the future, when in reality it is just a lot of stupid mind games and guessing.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 06:59 PM   #27
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Glee is right that there is actually some interesting research going on. I know of a few studies looking into apparent precognition that they can actually measure (EKG, skin tension, etc.). That isn't pseudoscience though, since they are testing biological signals for a pattern. It's also a few actual psychologists looking into a phenomena that they observed in another test. Pretty cool really. They also did some interesting work telling whether people could tell when someone was looking at them (even when the person was just looking at them via a security camera feed).

A number of people who really believe they've had a supernatural experience are just the victims of night terrors, sleep paralysis, or their mind generally freaking out. I've personally experienced a mixture of what I feel are genuine and artificial experiences, so I know where they're coming from.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 11:58 AM   #28
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Glee is right that there is actually some interesting research going on. I know of a few studies looking into apparent precognition that they can actually measure (EKG, skin tension, etc.). That isn't pseudoscience though, since they are testing biological signals for a pattern. It's also a few actual psychologists looking into a phenomena that they observed in another test. Pretty cool really. They also did some interesting work telling whether people could tell when someone was looking at them (even when the person was just looking at them via a security camera feed).
These studies really wouldn't prove the existence of spirits in the least. The EKG, skin tension and other physiological measurements could simply be the result of the thought of there being a spirit in the room. I mean, I don't doubt that people actual think there are spirits - this belief alone would be enough to trigger a response. If there are actual studies done connecting a response like that to the existence of spirits and published in reputable scientific journals, I'd like to see them.

One of the tricks pseudosciences use to make it seem more legit to the everyday person is by connecting it to real science - that still doesn't make it a science.

I'd be interested in reading the studies on the security cameras as that sounds pretty interesting. If you could point me to them that would be great.

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The studies actually referred to precognition. A random number generator decided whether there would be a horrible image on the screen (burn victim) or puppies in a field. The results supposedly showed 70% correct body responses in the 5 second period before it came up. Pretty cool as a jumping off point.

I actually don't know where the studies are. The psychologist/scientist presented them herself to my critical thinking class. Our instructor wanted to show that there were some intelligent people who were really looking into some pseudo-scientific stuff and finding actual results in good experiments. It was a nice balance to just insulting UFO believers, recovered memory believers, and creationists .

You're right though. They love to be "scientific." That's why all the ghost hunters use EMF detectors, even though the readings of a "ghost" usually just match the strength of an alarm clock. It's just to try and look scientific, especially since it usually assumes a bunch of unproven things (like ghosts having electric fields).

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I do believe in the spiritual world. I think there are just some things science can't yet explain. I personally have not had a spiritual encounter but I know people who believe deep down in their soul who think they have. And I would consider these people to be pretty intelligent. And there are enough smarter people than me out there who devote their lives into searching into this topic and believe there is something there. Who am I to debate them? I don't believe in the Scooby-Doo ghosts, or Casper. But I do believe that there is a kind of limbo where spirits kinda stay on earth after death, not knowing what to do. I would hate that for me. Just let me die already!

But those are my views...
Well said for me too. Except I'm not so sure about "lingering spirits" after death. Maybe traumatized ones, but then I wonder whether it has something to do with their auras, and the "spirit" surrounding their original experiences, and that people who have these encounters with those spirits are having encounters with those "traumatized memories" of the departed spirits, rather than the spirits themselves.
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Well personally, I don't know if I really believe in ghosts, as in the ghosts of people who are dead. There is really no proof of the existence of ghosts. I do believe in the spiritual and supernatural, but I don't know if I believe in ghosts.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 11:25 AM   #32
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I don't really believe in ghosts, personally. I've seen many programs but still don't believe.
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Old August 5th, 2010, 06:21 AM   #33
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I believe in ghost, but I'm not sure about what exactly they are.
I lived in a haunted house for a little over 10 years. Of course, I had experiences, but didn't think much of them until I got my dog. He would do weird things that I initially couldn't explain: he would watch things move through the room, his hair would stand up, he would stare at something that I couldn't see, then whine and look back at me as if to say "What are you going to do about this?!?"
Then things started disappearing: food, paper towels, underwear, etc. I was going to change the locks then I realized that the things taken weren't of any value - the sterio, money, computer, TVs - all weren't touched. So I ruled out the idea that a person was coming in and messing around.
I saw things: a demon dog (as I describe it) that looked like a Chow-Chow that was burnt in a fire, a pair of legs walking down the hallway, people in colonail dress. Then I would hear things: walking, talking, whistling, bags rustling.
But my biggest experience was when I was sleeping, I heard a sigh to the side of my bed. I remember thinking I would be OK as long as I wasn't touched. Then, I felt someone basically pet/stroke the back of my head three times. It took me a while to get the nerve to turn over and look to see what was there, but once I did, I saw nothing.
I have since moved 3 times. The second house, the dog didn't have any problems. The current house, every one in a while, the dog will watch things move around - particularily up towards the ceiling - and twice I have seen shadows in the daytime.
But so far (knock on wood) nothing more major than that!
I did find out that the first house was originally purchased in the early 80's for a very, very cheap price.
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Old August 21st, 2011, 08:46 AM   #34
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i believe in ghost but i dont believe that ghost can effected on us if we r good
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Old August 21st, 2011, 02:18 PM   #35
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yeah.. i do believe in ghosts.. they do exists.. but they dont hit you until or unless you hit them.
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yeah.. i do believe in ghosts.. they do exists.. but they dont hit you until or unless you hit them.
They just mess with your mind and make you see conspiracies everywhere.
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Old September 16th, 2011, 09:14 PM   #37
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I personally do believe in ghost, but I haven't witnessed one yet. I think the media is turning more people into non-believers, than believers. All these ghost hunter shows produce no real proof.

The shows get you to think something groundbreaking is going to happen on the buildup to the commercial break and then come to find out, it's just someone knocking something over or weird static.
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Old September 26th, 2011, 05:17 PM   #38
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If you believe enough in something in your mind it will come to life and you'll cause things to happen. But I don't believe they exist. People who claim to see ghosts are usually people who go looking to find things like that. Like looking for things that might be a thrill or scary and they invent what they see in there subconsciousness.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 06:36 AM   #39
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Well this forum is for those people who believe in ghosts,people must share their experience with any ghost or supernatural power,if they had any.I have an experience but not with a ghost,it was sort of supernatural power,all in all i do believe in ghosts,what about you.?
"Ghost" comes from an archaic English word which means "spirit." Since angels and the saints are spirit (and demons too) then obviolusly they exist. But they don't show up on reality TV shows as some hucksters would have us believe.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 08:53 AM   #40
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"Ghost" comes from an archaic English word which means "spirit." Since angels and the saints are spirit (and demons too) then obviolusly they exist
Since when is that "obvious" (that angels/spirits exist)?
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