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Old October 16th, 2013, 03:16 PM   #1
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A note about hatred

Racism: a social disease

I am worried after reading the "Stop Syjionizmowi," published in one of the Polish websites, not in English:

?yd | Stop Syjonizmowi

I did not read the well-known forgery: "Protocol of Elders of Zion," fabricated over a hundred years ago in Tsarist Russia. But this Polish post is probably more nonsensical and more poisonous.

The author writes, for instance, "the greatest criminals, murderers and traitors in history were mostly Jews (Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Dzerzhinsky)." This statement is false: none of them was a Jew. Also false is the claim that "The Jewish religion is not ... based on the Old Testament." The article is full of such nonsense; I think that the author knows this very well. But I have no desire to argue with him. This kind of propaganda is very dangerous; it may lead, under some conditions, to a new wave of massive tragedies.

Who should criticize and expose authors of such articles? I do not think that this should be done by Jews. Our (Jewish) participation in the fight against potential murderers should be reduced to criticism of anti-Polish statements made by some Jews. And our day-to-day behavior should demonstrate that we are not liars, thieves and murderers, as claimed in the slanderous article.

At the forefront of the struggle with Polish anti-Semitism should be Poles - right wing, left wing, theists, atheists, scientists, and ordinary people. Why do I think so? Because I know that such struggle can be very effective. Passivity in the face of racism makes us morally responsible for what may take place in the future. Such passivity is also an insult to our national honors. I often think about this when I read our common Golden Rule: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."

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Old October 16th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #2
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We should just ignore the buffoons.
We ignored Hitler... If Francisco (a fascist and thus not a target of the Axis) hadn't been willing to take in the Jews trying to stay ahead of the Nazis the camps would have been more crowded and the Jews less plentiful today.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:37 AM   #3
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Who should criticize and expose authors of such articles? I do not think that this should be done by Jews. Our (Jewish) participation in the fight against potential murderers should be reduced to criticism of anti-Polish statements made by some Jews. And our day-to-day behavior should demonstrate that we are not liars, thieves and murderers, as claimed in the slanderous article.
I don't know if this is good advice. I would have a very difficult time defending people who refused to even verbally defend themselves and if those people were to complain about atrocities committed against them after the fact I'd have a hard time caring as much I would about abuses suffered by a group of people who had at least attempted to defend themselves from abuse.

But, I'm not Jewish and you are so handle it your way.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:12 AM   #4
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But Hitler was not just all talk...
Sure he was, then he got put in charge of a major opposition party. If those crazy wackos took over the Repubs (the TP doesn't count, they're confused anarchists, not institutional racists) or Dems or formed a party with 30% of the electorate backing they'd be more then talk, too.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:21 AM   #5
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I can understand Jews in Germany in the late '20's and the early to mid '30's thinking that Hitler was just some loudmouth nut job and not taking him very seriously. By the time they realized what was happening it was too late.

Now we all know that Hitler wasn't kidding so I can't imagine that the same strategy of hoping that someone else will fix the problem can possibly be considered a good idea.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 11:57 AM   #6
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No, he was a bunch of action.
Only after being made Fuhrer. He was a ranting crazy and a really good landscape artist (he couldn't paint people vary well though) before that.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #7
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All that matters is engagement in evil acts. Talk means nothing if not acted upon.
Indeed and had people paid attention when Hitler was just talk, he'd just be another of History's eccentric artists. I mean people don't hate on Disney (also a Nazi) because the FBI had him in their sights and kept him from doing anything but drawling talking mice.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 05:41 AM   #8
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Racism: a social disease

I am worried after reading the "Stop Syjionizmowi," published in one of the Polish websites, not in English:

?yd | Stop Syjonizmowi

I did not read the well-known forgery: "Protocol of Elders of Zion," fabricated over a hundred years ago in Tsarist Russia. But this Polish post is probably more nonsensical and more poisonous.

The author writes, for instance, "the greatest criminals, murderers and traitors in history were mostly Jews (Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Dzerzhinsky)." This statement is false: none of them was a Jew. Also false is the claim that "The Jewish religion is not ... based on the Old Testament." The article is full of such nonsense; I think that the author knows this very well. But I have no desire to argue with him. This kind of propaganda is very dangerous; it may lead, under some conditions, to a new wave of massive tragedies.

Who should criticize and expose authors of such articles? I do not think that this should be done by Jews. Our (Jewish) participation in the fight against potential murderers should be reduced to criticism of anti-Polish statements made by some Jews. And our day-to-day behavior should demonstrate that we are not liars, thieves and murderers, as claimed in the slanderous article.

At the forefront of the struggle with Polish anti-Semitism should be Poles - right wing, left wing, theists, atheists, scientists, and ordinary people. Why do I think so? Because I know that such struggle can be very effective. Passivity in the face of racism makes us morally responsible for what may take place in the future. Such passivity is also an insult to our national honors. I often think about this when I read our common Golden Rule: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."

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Clearly the stuff is drivel, and the real question is how far it gets listened to. I'd guess it was prosecutable as hate-speech (or whatever that's called in writing) under EU law. If you ever hear this bilge gets published in the UK, let me know: I have a lot of very literate friends, happy to continue their grandparents work. Meanwhile, the great trick is to keep this Nazi balderdash totally separate from the 'Israel' issue: real anti-semites hardly exist in Europe now except in propaganda, and we can soon hunt them down.
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lol!!!
Fighting Hitler, while yours were grovelling. My father was on a Hitler death list, I believe. Can't do that in German, I'm afraid : ask your gauleiter to translate..
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Old October 18th, 2013, 08:29 AM   #10
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Most of what you said is non-sensical; please rephrase.
If you don't know English, join a class. Do you think I want to waste time talking to you?
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Old October 18th, 2013, 09:31 AM   #11
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My what were groveling (sic)?

To imply I have a "Gauleiter" is pure buffoonery.
Ask your Gauleiter how British people spell, and stop wasting my time with your tedious spite.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #12
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The possibility to comply with your request is non-existent.

Now WHO are you saying groveled and WHEN (i.e. under what circumstances)???
Don't be an idiot (unless your trolling, in which case have fun lol), you know full well what he's talking about.
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