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Old May 7th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #41
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No, I surley didn't. The CIA has quite a long list...Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Haiti and the list goes on.
That's a history of interference, not necessarity success. And then you have to decide whether, if there were success, whether it was the CIA or the military that was successful.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 04:30 AM   #42
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That's a history of interference, not necessarity success. And then you have to decide whether, if there were success, whether it was the CIA or the military that was successful.
I call it covert intervention, you have to determine what the goal of the CIA was. National security? " "but what counter - insurgency really comes down to is the protection of the capitalist back in America, their property and their privileges. U.S. National Security, as preached by U.S. leaders, is the security of the capitalist class in the U.S., not the security of the rest of the people"....Philip Agee. That was clearly the goal in central and South America.
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And how do you think they did?
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And how do you think they did?
Well, they seemed to have carried out U.S. policy pretty well, by installing political regeimes that were coercive, repressive, and their authoritarian functon of the state was strenghtened. To achieve order, protection of property and stability of the monetary system, which incouraged or made viable the hegemonic interest of the U.S. If you would ask United Fruit Co., ITT, Dow Chemical, or Firestone, they would say they did a pretty good job. As Nixion said about Latin America "Nobody gives a s**t about the place". That was obvious by the lip service the State Dept. gave on the amount of people being killed during that time, as LBJ stated " We were running a Murder INC. down there".
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As opposed to the wonderful regimes before? I just don't think they deserve either the credit or the blame. Because we supported something that worked out, doesn't mean we made it work out.

Honduras has been incredibly stable in the midst of all of this. Hondurans attribute some of it to the presence of United Fruit, since no one really dared go up against them.

And Nicaragua has become the safest country in Central America. Credit for that goes to the Nicaraguan people, who simply, finallly, had enough of the violence. They now have a violent crime rate that is the same as the US. Kind of remarkable considering that the US violent crime rate had been dropping.
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As opposed to the wonderful regimes before? I just don't think they deserve either the credit or the blame. Because we supported something that worked out, doesn't mean we made it work out.

Honduras has been incredibly stable in the midst of all of this. Hondurans attribute some of it to the presence of United Fruit, since no one really dared go up against them.

And Nicaragua has become the safest country in Central America. Credit for that goes to the Nicaraguan people, who simply, finallly, had enough of the violence. They now have a violent crime rate that is the same as the US. Kind of remarkable considering that the US violent crime rate had been dropping.
The regimes before promoted nationalization, land reform and redistribution of wealth which was against U.S. interest, if the CIA was tasked to "influence" the overthrow of those regimes and replace those regimes with regimes that would insure a climate for investment and a stable political system, then they succeeded. However, the regimes that fit that reqirement were dictatorships, that would murder and torture the opposition to maintain that climate and the U.S. overlooked that to a degree that public oppinion would withstand. So I would say from the inception of operation PBSUCCESS in 1954 in Guatemala, the Latin policy was a success in the eyes of the CIA and the U.S. policy makers. But you are seeing some blowback today, some of the people that are leaders in Latin American Governments were victims of those dictator days and have a bad taste about U.S. policy. .

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If Occam's Razor applies and you look at all the facts as I understand them, most of which haven't even been approached in this thread, there is a reasonable doubt over whether Oswald shot anybody. Much of the information that convinces me that there was a conspiracy is the things that happened afterward which only people in government could have controlled. That is the proper application of Occam's Razor to the Kennedy assassination.
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Old March 4th, 2010, 02:06 PM   #48
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I've read quite a bit about this subject. I've watched all the shows I could about this.

What I've learned about it is that when the motorcade turned into the kill zone the motorcade was just a few minutes away from it's destination.

Why did they turn into that street?

Many, many people who witnessed this event ended up dead under mysterious circumstances.

A show about Ruby stated that while he was in jail after shooting Oswald, that ruby was as nervous as a cat till he heard the Oswald was dead. then he relaxed.

Here is the most telling of all this, the Zapruder film was doctored. it has some missing frames and they show that the Lincoln stopped just before the bullet were fired.

Another show said that bullets came from all directions and that one struck the windshield of the Lincoln.

Just recently I watched another show that showed the Lincoln from the front,,,it had a bullet hole in the windshield
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I've read quite a bit about this subject. I've watched all the shows I could about this.

What I've learned about it is that when the motorcade turned into the kill zone the motorcade was just a few minutes away from it's destination.

Why did they turn into that street?

Many, many people who witnessed this event ended up dead under mysterious circumstances.

A show about Ruby stated that while he was in jail after shooting Oswald, that ruby was as nervous as a cat till he heard the Oswald was dead. then he relaxed.

Here is the most telling of all this, the Zapruder film was doctored. it has some missing frames and they show that the Lincoln stopped just before the bullet were fired.

Another show said that bullets came from all directions and that one struck the windshield of the Lincoln.

Just recently I watched another show that showed the Lincoln from the front,,,it had a bullet hole in the windshield
If you have to ask those questions, you need to read alot more.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 02:18 AM   #50
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If you have to ask those questions, you need to read alot more.
I don't see many questions in his posting, more like statements of people who have asked questions, and answered the questions along conspiracy lines. Still a sad day though when the President was assassinated. Even sadder when his brother was assassinated. For me Bobby was the more dedicated and maybe even the more brainy one of the two.
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I don't see many questions in his posting, more like statements of people who have asked questions, and answered the questions along conspiracy lines. Still a sad day though when the President was assassinated. Even sadder when his brother was assassinated. For me Bobby was the more dedicated and maybe even the more brainy one of the two.
You are right, however when I saw the question "Why did they turn on that street"? A quick internet search would have answered his question and I felt he was questioning the statements, he should research a little more, thats all. You are right, it was a sad day when John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin King Jr. were assassinated, just a bad decade for lone nutters, I guess.
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You are right, however when I saw the question "Why did they turn on that street"? A quick internet search would have answered his question and I felt he was questioning the statements, he should research a little more, thats all.
I completely agree with you and it is irritating to me too.

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You are right, it was a sad day when John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin King Jr. were assassinated, just a bad decade for lone nutters, I guess.
Right, although I guess those lone nutters are still with us. They may be plotting and planning as wel speak.
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I cant ebleive people even think this was that bufoon alone anymore. It doesnt necessairly have to be the CIA but the idea iot was Oswald alone... I did nt think anybody bought that bull anymore...
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I cant ebleive people even think this was that bufoon alone anymore. It doesnt necessairly have to be the CIA but the idea iot was Oswald alone... I did nt think anybody bought that bull anymore...
Why don't you believe it was Oswald alone, what do you base it on?
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Well they always use Oswald's Basic Training shooting score as some justification for him being able to make that shot. Witch is nonsense. Hatchcock tried that shot with that weapon, three times and he couldn't do it. Carlos Hatchcok was the Number one Sniper of the Vietnam war.

Several heard shots from the famous Grassy Knoll area. Many saw suspicious man leaving the area. Zupruder(sp?) and other films show Kennedy's bodies reaction to the shots. I have heard one dude try to explain how somebody could fall forward from being hit in the front... When your head get hit by something moving at approx.1700 mph, the speed of these bullets.. Your head will snap in the opposite direction as per basic science. Each action, opposite reaction.

The autopsy testimony at the hospital. Orderlies involved both claim theres was "government agent" interference of it.

There was recordings of men in Miami plotting. There is enough info about Ruby to consider re investigating his involvement.

The other assassinations of Bobby and Dr King to me, also contribute to the idea of it being more then just lone wacko's in all these murders.

Who did it? No idea. CIA? as likely as anybody. Castro, perhaps. Russians less likely IMO, The mafia, maybe. Business interests, could be also. I know though theres allot of people convinced, JFK was hit by at least two men.
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Well they always use Oswald's Basic Training shooting score as some justification for him being able to make that shot. Witch is nonsense. Hatchcock tried that shot with that weapon, three times and he couldn't do it. Carlos Hatchcok was the Number one Sniper of the Vietnam war.

Several heard shots from the famous Grassy Knoll area. Many saw suspicious man leaving the area. Zupruder(sp?) and other films show Kennedy's bodies reaction to the shots. I have heard one dude try to explain how somebody could fall forward from being hit in the front... When your head get hit by something moving at approx.1700 mph, the speed of these bullets.. Your head will snap in the opposite direction as per basic science. Each action, opposite reaction.

The autopsy testimony at the hospital. Orderlies involved both claim theres was "government agent" interference of it.

There was recordings of men in Miami plotting. There is enough info about Ruby to consider re investigating his involvement.

The other assassinations of Bobby and Dr King to me, also contribute to the idea of it being more then just lone wacko's in all these murders.

Who did it? No idea. CIA? as likely as anybody. Castro, perhaps. Russians less likely IMO, The mafia, maybe. Business interests, could be also. I know though theres allot of people convinced, JFK was hit by at least two men.
Even though the Dallas police did a pretty bad job, they had alot of physical evidence againts Oswald. But I do believe had he had the right lawyer he could have won an acuittal. First they would have had a hard time getting a jury that was unbiased, since the police were on tv saying they had their man and it was a slam dunk. There is resonable doubt that the rifle found on the sixth floor was the carcano, since it was first reported as a 7.65 Mauser, the Dallas DA Henry wade, went on tv and reported it as such, it layed in the evidence room for hours with no intials of the officers that found it. It went to the FBI, carried by Agent Drain to Washington, and not until it's return was it ID as a 6.5 Carcano. The bag that Oswald allegedly brought the rifle in to the TSBD and to corroborate Buell Wesley Frazier's curtin rod story and the package he brought to work on the morning of the 22nd, was not photographed on the sixth floor of the TSBD with the rest of the evidence, and no one was ever asked why, not even the WC did so. That could be adverse evidence and a jury could inferr that the reason it wasn't photographed, because it wasn't there. Thats just a couple, there is the bullet analysis, the medical evidence...etc. Plus had Oswald gone to trial all his wife's testimony would never had been heard. Thats why I think Owald was assassinated to insure that their evidence would never be challanged in court and a chance of an acquittal. And as you, I don't think Oswald did it, I think he was set up by the FBI (meaning J. Edgar Hoover ) and elements both in the Dallas police dept. and the John Birch Society.
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The driver Killed Kennedy

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
[COLOR=#22229c]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xes...ville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's arm crossing over

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.


THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:17 AM   #58
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The driver placed gun in left hand with right

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Thanks to the zfilm, the cover-up is now unravelling by simply watching (and NOT ignoring) the driver's movements before, during and after the fatal shot he fires. Greer has both hands off the wheel at frame 241 and his right hand with the gun meets his left hand at 242.
FRAME 241

Places gun in left hand with right.

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The fake reflection over Roy's head is fake

Mary took her pic at zframe 309 and in it, the fake blob of white is entirely missing from Roy's head because it was added during alteration to cover the gun over Greer's shoulder. Connally's reflection is accurately depicted in both the pic and film for authenticity.




The fake reflection was NOT added to the nix or muchmore films.
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Shortened gif of Greer shooting JFK

I shaved off two seconds on the end, making it only 3 seconds and it creates a huge difference in seeing Greer's left arm going over his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. Nix gif shows driver killing Kennedy. Nix gif shows driver shooting jfk. Proving the driver killed Kennedy, proves it was an inside job. Greer's guilt is the conclusion to this case which may have never happened if not for me. My work should have been exposed by any one of hundreds of researchers who decided to look the other way and promote red herrings instead.
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