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Old June 19th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #1
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To kill Kaddafi is the fastest way to proliferate nuclear weapons!

  • Since 2004 Kaddafi has actually defected to the West, compensated all Lockerbie victims? families and genuinely given up all his WMD; he also confessed his nuclear providers North Korea & China; that?s why China didn?t veto UN sanction.
  • When Kaddafi was young, he, like most youth in North Africa Middle East and China, hated the West. It was due to childhood brainwash; there?s no way for people to grow up in that environment and not to hate the West. Only when they become older and more mentally mature do they change their attitude from anti-west to pro-west. Kaddafi has just changed his mind and begun to take on Muslin extremists before foolish NATO suddenly turns on him.
  • From Bosnia to Libya, the West has been actually helping enemy kill friends. After Cold War, when people in other places began to appreciate western civilization, western people themselves began to despise it and give way to cheap ?Muslin Cry Baby? sentiment.
  • Great Western Civilization had turned once worst enemy (e.g. Russian, Kaddafi, etc.) into our best friend, but foolish NATO + Bill Clinton + Obama turn them back to enemy again! Even North Korea leader Kim Jon ll tried secretly to defect to America during Clinton administration, which later thwarted by George W. Bush?s ?axis of evil? speech.
  • Kaddafi has lost everything and soon will lose his life, not because of his bad behavior in his early life, but because he later trusted America too much!
  • Only Iran and China know that to be West?s enemy is much safer than to be its friend. China the most insidious never speak out directly against the West, only secretly brainwash their children to hate the West & U.S.; so nowadays Americans are happy buying Chinese products despite those 60000 Americans died in Vietnam and Korea were actually killed by Chinese. (Also because those American soldiers died in Korea had U.N. mandate, later U.S. granted China permanent membership of UN Security Council as a reward for its killing of so many U.N. & U.S. soldiers! How ridiculous!)
  • If bombing Libya is because it killed its own people, then how about China? Chinese governments have been killing their own people for thousands of years and the current one has killed tens of millions!
  • No one cares U.N. resolutions or countries? sovereignties, those are left?s excuse; but people do care justice! If U.S. killed Kaddafi in 1980?s or 1990?s, people around the world would support it; but you kill him in 2011, it makes no sense! It only makes your real enemies laugh!
  • Western people and their leaders lack of basic knowledge on human psychology, they have very high IQ and very low EQ; that?s why having contributed so much on human civilization which benefits every human being on earth yet they still get hated everywhere! When China?s Mao killed millions of ordinary people, survived ones thanked him for not killing them and became more loyal to him; when NATO?s going to kill Kaddafi, everyone is scared and angry because Kaddafi?s image has long been an international sensation! Of course there are people hate him, but by killing him you can?t get Kaddafi-haters love you; since Kaddafi-haters fear someday NATO might as well turn on them, because no one can really follow western ideal moral standards in eastern countries. Let alone Kaddafi-lovers will be guaranteed to hate you. While China?s Mao killed millions of previous government?s followers, he only preserved the top leaders? lives to show to public his ?mercy? and glorified several defected leaders for propaganda purpose.
    As another example, Taliban leader Mullah Omar, right after September 11, had good chance to save his government by handing over Osama Bin Laden to U.S.; many westerners couldn?t understand why he refused to do so. Only eastern people understand him, in eastern society people normally don?t help each other unless among friends; only their friend can help them when they?re in trouble; and because of this, betraying a friend is utterly despicable and immoral, regardless how bad a person the friend is.
  • Now comparing Mullah Omar with our friend-selling President Jimmy Carter and enemy-appeasing President Obama, you know why so many Taliban followers would like to die for Omar and no one in the world like to die for America. Also comparing defector-lover Mao with defector-declining western leaders, you know the world future belongs to China.

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Old June 19th, 2011, 01:58 PM   #2
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[FONT=Times New Roman] Western people are good guys with good hearts but doing bad things. Because they lack of basic knowledge on human psychology, they have very high IQ and very low EQ; that?s why having contributed so much on human civilization which benefits every human being on earth yet they still get hated everywhere! [FONT=Times New Roman]
And what human psychology have these good guys with good hearts who have contributed so much to human civilisation missed?

In terms of nuclear proliferation, the 'problem' is actually asymmetric power: reflecting the successful investments and innovations in the arms industry.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 01:58 AM   #3
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  • Ethelfrith, your view is typical of left-wing western people. But the world is not as simple as you think.
  • Because western people grow up and always live in an amicable and simple society, we can’t understand the hostility and complexity of other societies. In fact no one can survive in some other society if they really follow westerner’s ideal moral standard. People in most part of the world have to fight for their life and struggle with each other every day.
  • Different life experiences add up to different moral standards, for example, Western countries have frozen 50 billion dollars’ worth of Libya & Gadhafi’s assets, and many westerners feel it well justified. But from eastern people's viewpoint, people putting money in your bank is because they trust you. You can't take advantage of their trust in you against them when they are in whatever dispute with others!
  • Also, NATO and western leaders seem to believe the reason why a country hasn’t had a democracy is because its top leader prevents it. If we can kill these dictators one by one, their countries will move to democracy one by one.
    But, believe or not, in eastern society the group of people that favor autocracy most are gross root, lower class peasants; and the one that favor democracy most are the intellectuals and upper class families that send their children to western countries, among which is Gadhafi’s family.
    In fact, throughout history, every revolution in these countries ends out up with a more brutal regime. Moreover, Iran, Lebanon and Gaza have proved that Islamic gross root rebellions are the real enemy of democracy! Gadhafi is not!

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[FONT=Times New Roman] Ethelfrith, your view is typical of left-wing western people. But the world is not as simple as you think.
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There wasn't any 'left wing' content in my post. My reference to asymmetric power, for example, is a simple reference to 'game theory' as utilised in security analysis. Such an approach has regularly been used to understand nuclear weapon trends, from understanding how arms races develop to the potential deterrence effects from mutually assured destruction. [FONT=Times New Roman]

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Because western people grow up and always live in an amicable and simple society, we can’t understand the hostility and complexity of other societies.
I'd suggest that you're being a tad utopian over western powers, both in terms of domestic problems that are experienced and in the aggressive foreign policies that are often pursued.

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In fact no one can survive in some other society if they really follow westerner’s ideal moral standard.
Here you're sounding a little xenophobic. Non-westerners can be jolly decent fellows you know! There are possible arguments that can be defended, such as some notion of inconsistency of specific cultures with liberal democracy.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 01:24 AM   #5
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  • Yes, you are right at many points. Though what I said is just a general impression among many. Anyway, It doesn?t matter too much.
  • But the Libya war is an urgent issue that requires immediate attention, and I believe that there is some serious misunderstanding among our Western leaderships about the true nature of this war.
  • Many Westerners esp. conservatives like to think everything in the way that one side is evil and the other virginal; they like to apply some simple formula such as ?Dictator oppresses; people up rise?; this is right in many cases; but in this case, Libyan crisis is not so much an oppression versus rebellion but mostly an internal power struggle between African and Arab tribes. [COLOR=#222222]Under Gadhafi's rule Libya is a secular moderate state with a loosely controlled government and a weak army; that?s why those poorly armed rebels could take control many Libyan cities in a few days at the beginning of the uprising.
  • After all, it?s the rebel who first took guns against Gadhafi people; the rebels have also killed ?their own people? according to Western standard, since Gaddafi and his supporters are also Libyan people! [COLOR=#222222]
  • [COLOR=#222222] When facing an armed uprising, as a nation?s top leader it?s his duty to use every means at his disposal to enforce the law!
  • [COLOR=#222222] And when he loses most part of the country, Gadhafi himself also becomes a rebel, and those former rebels will be guaranteed to kill ?Gadhafi rebel? and his supporters if possible!
  • [COLOR=#222222] Civil war is indeed a tragedy. Neither side has any choice other than killing the other side. But NATO has not right to join the killing by helping one side kill the other!
  • [COLOR=#222222] If the West continues to enjoy the daily bombardment only because Gadhafi is both too week and too kind to cause any casualty to them; then this is the last war that the West can win. Since, in future, every defense ministry of the world regimes would make obtaining the ability to cause NATO casualty a top priority in their daily work.
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