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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:34 AM   #1
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North Korea and South Korea exchange artillery fire

The two neighbor nations exchanged fire over a disputed water boundary between the two nations. The source of the conflict has been disputed by both nations for decades and occasionally erupted into attacks.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...rom-north.html
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:40 AM   #2
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The two neighbor nations exchanged fire over a disputed water boundary between the two nations. The source of the conflict has been disputed by both nations for decades and occasionally erupted into attacks.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...rom-north.html
The North Korea problem needs to be solved once and for all. Hell my daddy was there when I was a baby. This looking over the fence thing has gone on long enough!
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:40 AM   #3
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They need to solve it. Not our (United States') fight.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:42 AM   #4
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They need to solve it. Not our (United States') fight.
As long as we have our military there it will always be our fight. We need to blow them the hell up and leave!
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:44 AM   #5
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As long as we have our military there it will always be our fight. We need to blow them the hell up and leave!
That would be horrible (Iraq 2.0 anyone?). We just need to leave.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:57 AM   #6
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That would be horrible (Iraq 2.0 anyone?). We just need to leave.
I disagree. We could wipe them out in 24 hours. Not like the Iraq crap. No nation building. Just death and destruction. Which is the way other counties fight wars.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 10:09 AM   #7
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We can't just go in and "wipe" nations out. For one, it isn't that simple unless you are willing to "wipe" the civilians out in the process too- that is a huge cost and arguably morally wrong. Also, there is blowback from such actions and not only from Koreans but from the world who would see it as just more bullying from the US.
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We can't just go in and "wipe" nations out. For one, it isn't that simple unless you are willing to "wipe" the civilians out in the process too- that is a huge cost and arguably morally wrong. Also, there is blowback from such actions and not only from Koreans but from the world who would see it as just more bullying from the US.
If we don't have the stomach to win a war we should never pretend to fight one. We need to play by the same rules they play by. This going to war and trying not to hurt anyone is silly. We are seen as bullies by most of the world if we sit home and sing songs. Does the rest of world give a damn what we think of them?
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If we don't have the stomach to win a war we should never pretend to fight one. We need to play by the same rules they play by. This going to war and trying not to hurt anyone is silly. We are seen as bullies by most of the world if we sit home and sing songs. Does the rest of world give a damn what we think of them?
It strikes me as ironic that you are against the surges in government spending over the last few years and the increase in size in government, yet you support this. This would be another massive expansion in government spending. We do not need to police the world- there are threats everywhere, we can't go on goose chases after them. It is a much more sensible policy to focus on defense. And by that I mean actual defense, not offensive wars of aggression labeled politically as "defense".

And I also find it amazing that you are so into this idea that you are willing to hurt INNOCENT people in the process even if it can be avoided. Those civilians are no better and no worse than American civilians- we are all people.
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It strikes me as ironic that you are against the surges in government spending over the last few years and the increase in size in government, yet you support this. This would be another massive expansion in government spending. We do not need to police the world- there are threats everywhere, we can't go on goose chases after them. It is a much more sensible policy to focus on defense. And by that I mean actual defense, not offensive wars of aggression labeled politically as "defense".

And I also find it amazing that you are so into this idea that you are willing to hurt INNOCENT people in the process even if it can be avoided. Those civilians are no better and no worse than American civilians- we are all people.
In my opinion my way would be much cheaper. My way we are done and gone. Why stay another 60 years. What does that cost? As far as the people, if they are too weak to stand up to that little troll I have no sympathy. As a matter of fact my sympathy ran out a while ago. As for policing the world, hell no. I want us out of anything I can't drive my truck to. But after 60 years it would be a shame to let the little troll defeat us. But why not. Heck if you don't care, why should I?

When you consider who is running our military (no experience) maybe we should just cut and run everywhere. Our military deserves better than this commander and and putting their lives in more jeopardy to save enemy lives.

I was wrong and you are right. Just tell our guys to run like hell!

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Old August 10th, 2011, 01:43 PM   #11
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Your way is exactly what the neocons tried and led to a horrible mess that is still unfolding - it is not done and gone because people remember things (what do you think fueled Osama, the Taliban, and Al qeuda?) and there are always people who will conflict with us in the world- it isn't possible to chase everyone down. It's been tried too many times in history from the Greeks to the Romans to England to now in some sense America. It doesn't work and the cost is always higher, not lower than peaceful solutions.

And specifically to N. Korea, the cost of going in (especially now) is much higher than not. No one cares if we still have a decades old feud with them- it doesn't make us appear weak because most countries have similar feuds of their own- it is the great power struggle in international politics.
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They need to solve it. Not our (United States') fight.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment but the USA and DPRoK have been in a state of war for the past 1/2 century so it is our war, at least legally. We can always sign a separate peace but that would mean no reelection for anyone in power at the time of such a deal.

As for wiping them out, by the time we did 1/2 of the RoK's population would be dead. Seoul would be completely leveled inside 45 minutes. That's 10 million dead in under an hour...
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Your way is exactly what the neocons tried and led to a horrible mess that is still unfolding - it is not done and gone because people remember things (what do you think fueled Osama, the Taliban, and Al qeuda?) and there are always people who will conflict with us in the world- it isn't possible to chase everyone down. It's been tried too many times in history from the Greeks to the Romans to England to now in some sense America. It doesn't work and the cost is always higher, not lower than peaceful solutions.

And specifically to N. Korea, the cost of going in (especially now) is much higher than not. No one cares if we still have a decades old feud with them- it doesn't make us appear weak because most countries have similar feuds of their own- it is the great power struggle in international politics.
Maybe we can all just hug and kiss each others jaws for another 50 or 60 years. The US is helpless if we need to be afraid to hurt some other countries feelings. They don't give a damn what we think anyway. Everything always seems one sided when it comes to being nice. Why should we always be the one that cares and takes it on the chin? And I will come right out and say it, I don't care what other countries think. They don't care what we think and that is fair. But them not caring and us being all warm and caring is not fair. And we pay a price for seeming weak too.
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Maybe we can all just hug and kiss each others jaws for another 50 or 60 years. The US is helpless if we need to be afraid to hurt some other countries feelings. They don't give a damn what we think anyway. Everything always seems one sided when it comes to being nice. Why should we always be the one that cares and takes it on the chin? And I will come right out and say it, I don't care what other countries think. They don't care what we think and that is fair. But them not caring and us being all warm and caring is not fair. And we pay a price for seeming weak too.
First off, I care about people more than the flags- we are all the same and no one was created with a flag and national anthem attached to them. It is only the minority, usually the upper class rich and those in power, who use these things to manipulate others and get them to agree to ridiculous wars and feuds. Second, the cost is not only to the enemy. Who goes and fights there? Our young men. Who deals with them when they come back to retaliate in xx years? Our children. Who pays for the costs of military operation? Our taxpayers.

Just get along and improve our national defense so if some lunatics decide to attack us we will stop them anyway without the costs of aggressive war. Who the hell cares what others think anyway? Are we a nation of 6 year olds? Well maybe DC is...
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First off, I care about people more than the flags- we are all the same and no one was created with a flag and national anthem attached to them. It is only the minority, usually the upper class rich and those in power, who use these things to manipulate others and get them to agree to ridiculous wars and feuds. Second, the cost is not only to the enemy. Who goes and fights there? Our young men. Who deals with them when they come back to retaliate in xx years? Our children. Who pays for the costs of military operation? Our taxpayers.

Just get along and improve our national defense so if some lunatics decide to attack us we will stop them anyway without the costs of aggressive war. Who the hell cares what others think anyway? Are we a nation of 6 year olds? Well maybe DC is...
As I said, I want them all within driving distance. But if we are going to send them to war we should let them win and leave. Not hang around for 50 or 60 years just watching each other. And I don't care what others think. As for the flag, remember I took mine down a while back. First time in about 20 years my flag is down. I even unhooked the big spotlight that burned at night. It will stay down until I find something hopeful enough to put it back. It will probably be sold when I die, because I see no light at the end of this tunnel.
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OOPS! It seems we have made the little troll mad now!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14541988
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OOPS! It seems we have made the little troll mad now!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14541988
You know we're already at war, we cold roll the tanks and send the bombers without any need of the UN or Congress and end this whelp if e really wanted. We should do a raid on his border artillery to prove the point. We'll even have the extra bonus of securing Soul.
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You know we're already at war, we cold roll the tanks and send the bombers without any need of the UN or Congress and end this whelp if e really wanted. We should do a raid on his border artillery to prove the point. We'll even have the extra bonus of securing Soul.

Sign me up!

Somebody hold my beer I got some fightin to do!
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