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Old January 16th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #1
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Obama to propose assault weapons ban, better background checks

Comes a day after Cuomo signed a big gun control bill in New York.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90F0NU20130116
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #2
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Part of the plan lifts a ban on Federally-funded research of public health effects of gun violence (talk about special interests). I applaud that measure: http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-research?lite

Suppressing the data should be the last thing we want to do.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:12 AM   #3
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Glad to see someone doing something....and hopeful it accomplishes anything.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:30 AM   #4
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Translation, just do something so it looks like it accomplishes....when it's crystal clear it doesn't.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:45 AM   #5
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Comes a day after Cuomo signed a big gun control bill in New York.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90F0NU20130116
I can dig it. And I guess I'm lucky to live in an area where there is very little gun violence....
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:56 AM   #6
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Translation, just do something so it looks like it accomplishes....when it's crystal clear it doesn't.
Not doing something would be the same thing because neither is crystal clear at this point. To make it more clear though, studies can help, which is why I liked the part about the funding for gun violence studies. Also, I think people on both sides agree on the background check thing.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:23 PM   #7
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Translation, just do something so it looks like it accomplishes....when it's crystal clear it doesn't.
No translation required, as my comment was not in any way confusing or cryptic.

I will however attempt to translate yours:


I don't like gun control, common sense, anything not done by the guys I listen to, or understand the second amendment at all. I have never seen or heard of the results of the only case ever to reach the supreme court concerning this issue, do not know what a tyrant actually is, and have fox news on speed dial.

See what happens when you pretend to know the mind of someone else?
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #8
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No translation required, as my comment was not in any way confusing or cryptic.

I will however attempt to translate yours:


I don't like gun control, common sense, anything not done by the guys I listen to, or understand the second amendment at all. I have never seen or heard of the results of the only case ever to reach the supreme court concerning this issue, do not know what a tyrant actually is, and have fox news on speed dial.

See what happens when you pretend to know the mind of someone else?
Was he responding to you or the OP/news story?
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Old January 16th, 2013, 01:04 PM   #9
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good question...I however assumed it was directed at my comment
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Old January 16th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #10
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Dayum...started sooner than I expected:

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Unconstitutional Texas Bill Would Make Enforcing Federal Gun Laws A Felony

<img title="Unconstitutional Texas Bill Would Make Enforcing Federal Gun Laws A Felony" alt="" align="left">Ian Millhiser, News Report: A Texas lawmaker says he plans to file the Firearms Protection Act, which would make any federal laws that may be passed by Congress or imposed by Presidential order which would ban or restrict ownership of semi-automatic firearms or limit the size of gun magazines illegal in the state. Republican Rep. Steve Toth says his measure also calls for felony criminal charges to be filed against any federal official who tries to enforce the rule in the state. Strangely, Toth does not appear to question that his bill is unconstitutional. Rather, he told The Chad Hasty Show on Monday that his goal is to undermine the Constitution itself."
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Old January 16th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #11
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506 people shot dead just in Chicago..7,400 illegally held guns...isnt it time something was done? wait! I know what the answer will be
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No such thing as an "assault weapon" so a ban on nothing seems a bit wasteful
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506 people shot dead just in Chicago..7,400 illegally held guns...isnt it time something was done? wait! I know what the answer will be
Make a law against illegally owning guns.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #14
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23 executive actions on gun violence from today: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...ence/?mod=e2tw
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23 executive actions on gun violence from today: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...ence/?mod=e2tw
Sounds like a dictator.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #16
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It seems extremely odd to me that so many are against 'trying' to make life safer.
Surely if there is the slightest chance that lives can be saved then thats a good thing isnt it? The answers usually given about infringing 'my' right etc etc is a rather inward looking one isnt it? Why are people so against the idea of having a safe place to live in?
Please dont say it is already safe thanks to having guns in most homes/cars/handbags and please dont quote ratio numbers because anywhere that has 506 firearm related deaths in one year in one city IS a violent place to be.
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It seems extremely odd to me that so many are against 'trying' to make life safer.
Surely if there is the slightest chance that lives can be saved then thats a good thing isnt it? The answers usually given about infringing 'my' right etc etc is a rather inward looking one isnt it? Why are people so against the idea of having a safe place to live in?
Please dont say it is already safe thanks to having guns in most homes/cars/handbags and please dont quote ratio numbers because anywhere that has 506 firearm related deaths in one year in one city IS a violent place to be.
He isn't trying to make life safer he is trying to strip liberty.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:35 AM   #18
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Though you are welcome to this opinion, it is exactly that. As he clearly stated these actions were intended to make us safer, it can be assumed this is the intent. While it is equally clear you see it as an attempt to destroy American Liberties, I would point out that your liberties are far from absolute...otherwise we would live as anarchists.

Granted, you would not be at liberty to fire 30 rounds of ammunition per minute. You may even lose the liberty to defend yourself from a platoon of soldiers, or a mob with guns.

But you will also lose the legal liberty to massacre innocents en mass with a weapon designed purposefully to do only that.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #19
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He isn't trying to make life safer he is trying to strip liberty.
That's arguable.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:41 AM   #20
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Sounds like a dictator.
For putting through executive orders? Only every President has done it, so I guess they are all dictators to you?

Edit: Obama's actually on pace to do less than Reagan and Bush: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
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