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Old May 12th, 2013, 09:25 AM   #1
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Immigration Bill = 1945 US Surrender to Japan

If the USA had surrendered to Japan in World War II, that would be the equivalent of the immigration bill that deranged members of the US Congress are getting ready to vote in favor of. The overwhelming majority of illegal aliens in America are Mexican, and its no accident that they are here. They are here with the full blessing (and guidance) of the Mexican government.

The Mexican government has been waging an imperialist war upon the US for decades now. Not one in the classical sense with guns and bombs, but rather with Mexican people invading the US, and taking away our wealth via remittances$$$$ and the anchor baby racket. The remittances alone (to Mexico) have been in the neighborhood of $25 Billion/year, while the anchor baby racket allows the American taxpayer to be duped into paying Mexico's poverty bill for her.

So now, US Congressmen want to make this invasion official, and allow the 12 million or so illegal aliens to receive a path to citizenship (amnesty), as if the protective immigration laws that our ancestors passed were meaningless. Trouble is, those laws are even more meaningful now than they were decades ago when they were passed.

These irresponsible members of Congress, doing nothing but sucking up to Hispanics for their votes, are willing to allow the destruction of the USA to occur, just to preserve their jobs and perks. And how stupid can Americans be to allow this to happen ? Just for starters, how dumb can anyone be to not see that most of our unemployment problem is being caused by illegal immigration ? With upwards of 8 million illegal aliens working, they are displacing more than half of America's unemployed. Get rid of these 8 million employed invaders, and we instantly make 8 million jobs available to our unemployed folks.

If we go further and get rid of all the legal immigrants being given work visas, we could eliminate about ALL of our unemployment. We could also strengthen our economy greatly by plugging up the constant lo$$ of remittance $$$ flowing out of the country, and have those dollars remain in the US being spent here, in AMERICAN stores (AKA the American economy).

By deporting every illegal alien (and their anchor babies), we could save tens of Billion$$ more, currently being drained away to the anchor baby racket, wherin we lose Billion$$ in human services payouts, as immigrants consume more welfare $$$ than native-born Americans are doing.

This crazy, political-based bill will also open the floodgates (and it appears it already is) for massive new influxes of aliens from Mexico, worsening the unemployment of Americans, as well as a worsening of many other things - pollution, crime, traffic congestion, scarcity of resources, wage reduction, tax $$ loss, inability to pay for entitlements, cultural erosion, overcrowding in hospitals, schools, recreational facilities, government offices/services.

And all you White kids coming out of high school and college. Be prepared to go further back to the end of a longer line to get a job, if this insane bill passes, as the numbers of brown-skinned people eligible for affirmative action, flocking into the country, will further lessen your chances to get a job (if you even have any as it is now).

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Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

Jobs Americans Won?t Do? A Detailed Look at Immigrant Employment by Occupation | Center for Immigration Studies
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Seeing as most of historic Mexico is under US control, I can't help but smile at the poetic justice of this.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #3
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Seeing as most of historic Mexico is under US control, I can't help but smile at the poetic justice of this.
To say that Mexico is (for the past 50 years) under US control, is about as preposterous a statement as could ever be uttered. Fact is, the US has been under Mexican control for decades, and we continue ever more so to be colonized by Mexico for $25 Billion/year in remittances + tens of Billions more in welfare payments (us paying their poverty bill).

And with the policies of the Obama administration, I don't see this trend reversing any time soon. If the current immigration bill passes, all hell will break loose and the still unfenced border will be the most traveled stretch of land in the world. This is what hundreds of thousands of US military troops sacrificed their lives in World War II to prevent.
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The bill is in the final stages of negotiation and the most important part of the bill is an agricultural worker programme to accept a limited number of Mexican workers annually and those who are sponsored by American growers may qualify for the blue cards and they would be eligible for permanent legal residency in five years. Other illegal immigrants will be allowed to stay temporarily under registered provisional immigrant status which lasts for six years but their path to citizenship is less certain.

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(Reuters) - Prospects for passage of a major immigration bill improved on Thursday when a bipartisan group of lawmakers in the House of Representatives declared they had reached a tentative deal, resolving disputes that had threatened to torpedo negotiations. The final sticking point, according to congressional sources, was over whether illegal immigrants now in the United States who gain legal status under the bill could participate in the new healthcare law known as "Obamacare," which Republicans want to repeal.
House lawmakers reach tentative deal to revamp immigration | Reuters
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Old May 18th, 2013, 02:16 PM   #5
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To say that Mexico is (for the past 50 years) under US control, is about as preposterous a statement as could ever be uttered. Fact is, the US has been under Mexican control for decades, and we continue ever more so to be colonized by Mexico for $25 Billion/year in remittances + tens of Billions more in welfare payments (us paying their poverty bill).

And with the policies of the Obama administration, I don't see this trend reversing any time soon. If the current immigration bill passes, all hell will break loose and the still unfenced border will be the most traveled stretch of land in the world. This is what hundreds of thousands of US military troops sacrificed their lives in World War II to prevent.
I never said Mexico was under US control. Mexico has descended into feudal barbarism, be nice if America or the Mexican 'gov't' did control the place. I said most of HISTORIC Mexico is under US control.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #6
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I'm not entirely sure why I even read all of that post.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #7
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I'm not entirely sure why I even read all of that post.
it was a good read, regardless of valid content....there is much to be said about well written or entertaining script.

Thus......Homer.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 10:18 PM   #8
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I'm not entirely sure why I even read all of that post.
You back or is this 1 of your 1 off posts?
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I never said Mexico was under US control. Mexico has descended into feudal barbarism, be nice if America or the Mexican 'gov't' did control the place. I said most of HISTORIC Mexico is under US control.
Now I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Now I have no idea what you're talking about.
Because your an unacceptable content that locks onto 1 sentence that you disagree with, regardless of context, then get lost when the resulting argument gets away from you. I've lost count of how many of your own threads you've derailed only to complain later about off topic posts.

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Old May 20th, 2013, 11:25 PM   #11
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Because your unacceptable content that locks onto 1 sentence that you disagree with, regardless of context, then get lost when the resulting argument gets away from you. I've lost count of how many of your own threads you've derailed only to complain later about off topic posts.
You can count ? Well that's a start. No, I haven't derailed my own threads, or anyone else's either. And no, the argument hasn't gotten away from me. And, if you're going to call someone a "fool", you ought to at least know how to spell each word in that very sentence. Do you know which one you misspelled ?

BTW - how about contributing something ON TOPIC in this thread ? Like about Mexico's colonization of the US, and the current immigration bill.

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You can count ? Well that's a start. No, I haven't derailed my own threads, or anyone else's either. And no, the argument hasn't gotten away from me. And, if you're going to call someone a "fool", you ought to at least know how to spell each word in that very sentence. Do you know which one you misspelled ?

BTW - how about contributing something ON TOPIC in this thread ? Like about Mexico's colonization of the US, and the current immigration bill.
This thread has no point, it's just racist trash disguised as nationalism.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 06:13 PM   #13
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This thread has no point, it's just racist trash disguised as nationalism.
Now you're really getting ridiculous. How does race possibly figure into this, when there are more than a dozen solid reasons to oppose all immigration (of anyone from anywhere), all having nothing to do with race. On top of that, the great majority of immigrants coming into the US are Hispanic, which I happen to be myself (50%).

Race card died out 19 years ago with the OJ Simpson trial (the first one). Try something more up to date. And I notice you have no answer for all the specific info in the OP. If you want to refute, you need to get into the specifics. Empty ad hominem rhetoric doesn't suffice.
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Now you're really getting ridiculous. How does race possibly figure into this, when there are more than a dozen solid reasons to oppose all immigration (of anyone from anywhere), all having nothing to do with race. On top of that, the great majority of immigrants coming into the US are Hispanic, which I happen to be myself (50%).

Race card died out 19 years ago with the OJ Simpson trial (the first one). Try something more up to date. And I notice you have no answer for all the specific info in the OP. If you want to refute, you need to get into the specifics. Empty ad hominem rhetoric doesn't suffice.
I already responded to the OP. Your point is invalid as it targets a cause that isn't actually a cause. Immigration, even illegal, is a proven net gain for the economy. Find me a politically neutral and scientific study that makes a connection between immigration and increased unemployment rates for white/black Americans... Good luck with that.

It's slave labor that's driving down labor costs and 'stealing jobs'. The only negative effect of immigration is social serasis and even then those impacts can only be attributed to illegals and not immigrants as a whole (who pay into the programs via pay deductions).
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 08:49 AM   #15
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I already responded to the OP. Your point is invalid as it targets a cause that isn't actually a cause. Immigration, even illegal, is a proven net gain for the economy. Find me a politically neutral and scientific study that makes a connection between immigration and increased unemployment rates for white/black Americans... Good luck with that.

It's slave labor that's driving down labor costs and 'stealing jobs'. The only negative effect of immigration is social serasis and even then those impacts can only be attributed to illegals and not immigrants as a whole (who pay into the programs via pay deductions).
FALSE! You think I'm going to let you get away with that ? You have NOT responded. I see nothing from you about >>

1. $25 Billion/year being extracted out of the US economy, and re-inserted into the Mexican.

2. Scientific study ? HA HA HA. Here's your scientific study. 8 million illegal aliens are working + millions more legal aliens are working in work visa jobs, while simultaneously the same # of Americans are unemployed. Many for years. You doubt this ? Everyone knows it. Please don't come in here and be ridiculous, and insult the intelligence of Political Fray posters, OK ?
You want a "scientific study" that oceans are large ? Is it so hard for you to figure out that when one person (immigrant) is IN a job, that is one more job that someone else (American) is OUT of ? Pheeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)

3. Social "serasis" - what the hell is THAT ?

4. Few statements could ever be more ludicrous than to call immigration a net gain for the economy. It is only a net gain for the MEXICAN economy (and other countries that also are invading us). It is a destruction of the American economy. It causes massive money loss from the economy from the remittances$$. Billions more lost to welfare for immigrants via the anchor baby racket. Billions more lost as a result of the lesser taxes paid by immigrants (due to their lower pay rates and off books work). Billions more lost due to decreased sales in the stores (AKA the economy) due to smaller paychecks. Billions more lost due to the increased crime immigrants bring. Billions more lost to ER use, via the EMTALA. Billions more lost to increased environmental damage. Billions more lost to traffic problems incl. a slew of accidents caused by unlicensed aliens who never drove a car before coming here. Billions more lost to pay for overcrowding in schools (more books, desks, teachers, etc). Increase in price of scarce resources (due to increased demand) -ex. gas$$ at the pump. Etc. etc, etc.

5. On top of all this, immigration, being primarily from Latin America, increases racial discrimination by adding more brown-skinned people to the labor force, to racistly jump in front of whites in job hiring.

You answered NONE of these.

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Again, false argument. Yes immigrants are sending money back to their families. So what? It's their money to spend as they see fit. Once again, I challenge you to show me a politically neutral and scientific study that has shown a link between immigration and white/black American unemployment. You won't, every attempt to show that link has revealed a net gain in the economy.

I've pointed out the real problem but you continue to rant irrelevancies. Do your homework before starting these threads.
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Again, false argument. Yes immigrants are sending money back to their families. So what? It's their money to spend as they see fit. Once again, I challenge you to show me a politically neutral and scientific study that has shown a link between immigration and white/black American unemployment. You won't, every attempt to show that link has revealed a net gain in the economy.

I've pointed out the real problem but you continue to rant irrelevancies. Do your homework before starting these threads.
Again, you haven't met my challenge of a long list of harms of immigration. Everything I've said STANDS.

1. So what ? So hundreds of Billions$$$$ are leaving the US economy and being re-inserted in a foreign nation's economy. THAT"S WHAT. It's called imperialism (21st century style with poor, cheap labor "troops" instead of the previous method with guns, bombs & swords) $25 Billion/year going to Mexico alone, and you say so what. Thar's shows how little of a grasp on this you have. Maybe if you were a business owner who is losing sales by cheap labor Mexicans getting the paychecks that could/should/would have transferred into sales for you, if Mericans were getting those paychecks (and bigger ones too), you wouldn't be saying "so what". I'll bet those business owners who are losing all those sales aren't saying "so what". They know better.

2. You say "every attempt to show that link has revealed a net gain in the economy" FALSE!! What you really mean is every study YOU HAVE CONSULTED has said that. Yeah ? And whose "studies" were those ? La Raza ? SEIU ? The US Chamber of Commerce ? The Catholic Church Los Angeles diocese ? Independent studies of companies who profit from cheap labor of immigrants ? Univision ? (whose entire existence depends on Spanish-speaking immigrants) I'll bet every one of your so-called "studies"s from one of these biased, vested-interest groups.

I'll bet you haven't consulted a study from FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform), CIS (Center for Immigration Studies) or Numbers USA, have you ? And I suppose you'll claim they are biased right ? Well, they're not, and they all show clearly that immigration is a disaster to the economy. and we don't even need a study. We shouldn't even be talking about that. That is ridiculous., It's simple common sense. You bring millions of immigrants into the country, who work at low wages, who take jobs away from Americans, pay much less taxes, send hundrd sof Billions out of the US economy, and cost the country Billions more in welfare, crime , medical, educational, and other ways and you have an economic DISASTER. plain as the nose on your face, so stop lying about it, and talking foolish.

As for "homework" YOU HAVEN"T DONE ANY. You just come tumbling in here making preposterous claims, that a 10 year old could refute with common sense.

Robert Rector, intellectual godfather of welfare reform. Rector finds that illegal-immigrant households use about $55 billion more in services than they pay in taxes each year. Under the Schumer-Rubio bill, they would begin to get permanent legal status (green cards) in about ten years and would access more programs. Then, the annual costs would balloon to $106 billion a year. The total fiscal costs over the lifetime of illegal immigrants, if they receive amnesty, would be $6.5 trillion. In short, a national CATASTROPHE.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/national...igration-study

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-cost-of-immigration

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-cost...illegal-aliens

http://www.fairus.org/issue/immigration-and-the-economy

http://www.fairus.org/issue/immigrat...-american-work

http://www.fairus.org/issue/low-immi...conomic-growth

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-trut...ed-immigration

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-trut...ed-immigration

http://www.fairus.org/issue/why-immi...curity-deficit

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-cost...illegal-aliens

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/jobless-americans

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/num...s-us-workforce

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/inc...legal-aliens-0

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/tax...rant-household

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/wel...ant-households

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/inc...ue-immigration

http://cis.org/OpedsandArticles/Cama...ge-Immigration

http://cis.org/more-us-stem-grads-than-jobs

http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor

http://cis.org/dream-act-cost

http://cis.org/child-tax-credits-2011

http://cis.org/node/1582

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