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Old July 30th, 2017, 05:23 PM   #1
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Two strange bedfellows having different dreams

The late Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh once described China and Vietnam as “both comrades and brothers”. During the Vietnam War, China supplied the North Vietnamese with guns and other weapons to fight the US troops in South Vietnam. However, during the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War, China discovered much to its chagrin that the Vietnamese turned the guns and other Chinese weapons around at the Chinese army. Fortunately for China, Vietnam did not have a nuclear missile programme of its own, otherwise history would be different.

As in the turbulent Sino-Vietnamese ties, mutual suspicion and distrust between China and Korea go back a long way to ancient times. The "comradely, brotherly" relationship between China and North Korea surely ranks as one of world’s strangest.

There is a line in the play The Tempest, by William Shakespeare : “Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.” It is spoken by Trinculo, King Alonso's jester, who has been shipwrecked and finds himself seeking shelter beside Caliban, whom he regards as a "sleeping monster".

The current territorial dispute between China and Vietnam is a mirror image of a possible future Sino-Korean conflict once North Korea subdues the South. However, unlike the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War, China will have to prepare for a nuclear holocaust as it will be clashing headon with a nuclear-armed Korea.

Of the two strange bedfellows, who is the sleeping monster?

War of the Dragons: The Sino-Vietnamese War, 1979 | HistoryNet

Once comrades and brothers, China and Vietnam are going their own way down the socialist path | South China Morning Post

SparkNotes: The Tempest: Act II, scene ii

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literatu...act-ii-scene-2

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After the Vietnam War, Ho Chi Minh's North Vietnam gobbled up South Vietnam controlled by the US and Vietnam was supposed to be China's puppet state. The Sino-Vietnamese War was over Cambodia, which was invaded by Vietnam. From the Chinese perspective, Vietnamese expansionism in southeast Asia had to be stopped at all costs, so that China could stay dominant in the region.
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Old July 30th, 2017, 10:05 PM   #3
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North Korea subdues the South.

Doug Bandow is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan. He is the author of Tripwire: Korea and U.S. Foreign Policy in a Changed World and coauthor of The Korean Conundrum: America’s Troubled Relations with North and South Korea.

He suggests that "an American withdrawal would be a useful change in strategy" and a "win-win policy for the Korean peninsula". Well, you can laugh and croak louder than a frog gone crazy after all the US troops have gone from East Asia back to America!

The following are excerpts from Doug Bandow's July 6, 2016 article headlined Leaving Korea Will Unburden U.S. Troops and Help South Korea Grow Up | The National Interest Blog

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....The United States should try a different approach. Washington should withdraw from the Korean vortex. Then the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea would be primarily a problem for its neighbors, who have the most at stake.

...The United States is militarily stretched, economically embattled and fiscally endangered. It no longer can afford to subsidize the defense of prosperous and populous friends....

This raises the obvious question whether Pyongyang would behave so provocatively if America was not on the scene. No one should expect a kinder, gentler Kim to emerge. But his “byungjin” policy of pursuing both nuclear weapons and economic growth faces a severe challenge, especially since sanctions continue to limit the DPRK’s development. With the United States far away he would have more reason to listen to China, which long has advised more reforms and fewer nukes. He also might be more amenable to negotiate limits on his missile and nuclear activities, if not give up the capabilities entirely. Since nothing else has worked, an American withdrawal would be a useful change in strategy.

Of course, members of Washington’s foreign policy establishment, who seem drawn to conflicts like moths are attracted to lights, would be horrified. But Americans would be better off if their leaders sought to avoid rather than join other nations’ conflicts.

The justification for U.S. troops in Korea disappeared decades ago. Bringing them home and shrinking America’s military accordingly would ease a defense burden that will become ever less affordable. Moreover, getting out of Korea would transform a threat environment used by Pyongyang to justify its overwhelming military spending. It’s rare to find such a win-win policy for the Korean peninsula. (End excerpts)

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After the Vietnam War, Ho Chi Minh's North Vietnam gobbled up South Vietnam controlled by the US and Vietnam was supposed to be China's puppet state. The Sino-Vietnamese War was over Cambodia, which was invaded by Vietnam. From the Chinese perspective, Vietnamese expansionism in southeast Asia had to be stopped at all costs, so that China could stay dominant in the region.
Vietnamese expansionism in Southeast Asia had to be stopped at all costs, so that China could stay dominant in the region? Please read more about the history, geography and current affairs of Southeast Asia so that you can be more well-informed about the region.

The dominant force in Southeast Asia is not China but Indonesia which is the largest country in the region with a population of 263.75 million in 2017. Although Indonesia insists it is a non-claimant state in the South China Sea dispute, it has clashed with China over fishing rights around the Natuna Islands, detaining Chinese fishermen and expanding its military presence in the area over the past 18 months.

In a dramatic message during its Independence Day on August 17 to China and neighbouring countries to stop illegal fishing in Indonesian waters, Indonesia sank 60 foreign fishing boats from China, Vietnam, the Philippines and other countries in the region.

In addition, there is a long history of anti-Chinese riots in Indonesia. It is estimated that over 500,000 people, mostly ethnic Chinese, were killed in the 1965-66 massacres which were triggered by an abortive coup blamed on the communists. In 1965, the Chinese embassy in Indonesia was ransacked and burned down, which led to a break-off of diplomatic relations between both countries. China could do nothing to stop the anti-Chinese vicious circle in Indonesia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discri...se_Indonesians

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphje.../#5e2b53c6f7ab

Remembering the May 1998 Riots in Indonesia | Flashback | OZY

Indonesian navy blows up illegal foreign fishing vessels in spectacular fashion | Daily Mail Online

Indonesia: Playing With Fire in the South China Sea | The Diplomat

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1998/02/indo-f14.html

Anti-Chinese and anti-Christian sentiment is not new in Indonesia

Indonesia Sinks 60 Fishing Boats from China and Other Countries : Science : Chinatopix

Indonesian efforts to face up to historical atrocities deserve applause - Global Times

Indonesia Population (2017) - Worldometers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Indonesia

South China Sea: Indonesia renames part of maritime economic zone in defiance of Beijing - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_19...s_of_Indonesia
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