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Old September 13th, 2017, 10:41 AM   #1
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Censoring HATE Speech

Good idea or bad idea? Keep in mind we censor ISIS hate speech when we can.

After the white-nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., last month where a man drove a car into a crowd, killing a counter-demonstrator, the American neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer published a long, hate-riddled post mocking the victim.

Outcry over the article led its domain registrar, GoDaddy, to end The Daily Stormer’s service. The site then registered with Google, which also quickly canceled its hosting. But it wasn’t until Cloudflare, a website security and performance service, dropped the site as a client that The Daily Stormer truly lost its ability to stay online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/o...nt=1&pgtype=se
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Old September 13th, 2017, 11:24 AM   #2
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it is difficult to draw the line, but I suggest you draw it this side of threat of actual violence.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #3
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The Daily Stormer moved to the dark web and it's still available somewhere under a new URL. But it's more difficult to find the website. I was jealous of the young guy from Arizona who was running the blog because it was getting too much traffic.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 03:18 PM   #4
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Hate speech is equivalent to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

Canada has Hate Speech Laws, which, up to the present have been applied carefully and sensibly. I am not sure that there are enough careful and sensible people in the United States to apply such laws appropriately.

Here are the relevant sections in the Canadian Criminal Code:

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Public incitement of hatred

319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Marginal note: Willful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, willfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Marginal note: Defences

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

Marginal note: Forfeiture

(4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of this section, anything by means of or in relation to which the offence was committed, on such conviction, may, in addition to any other punishment imposed, be ordered by the presiding provincial court judge or judge to be forfeited to Her Majesty in right of the province in which that person is convicted, for disposal as the Attorney General may direct.

Marginal note: Exemption from seizure of communication facilities

(5) Subsections 199(6) and (7) apply with such modifications as the circumstances require to section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of this section.

Marginal note: Consent

(6) No proceeding for an offence under subsection (2) shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

Marginal note: Definitions

(7) In this section,

communicating includes communicating by telephone, broadcasting or other audible or visible means; (communiquer)

identifiable group has the same meaning as in section 318; (groupe identifiable)

public place includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied; (endroit public)

statements includes words spoken or written or recorded electronically or electro-magnetically or otherwise, and gestures, signs or other visible representations. (déclarations)


Definition of identifiable group

318(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 02:00 PM   #5
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Good idea or bad idea? Keep in mind we censor ISIS hate speech when we can.

After the white-nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., last month where a man drove a car into a crowd, killing a counter-demonstrator, the American neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer published a long, hate-riddled post mocking the victim.

Outcry over the article led its domain registrar, GoDaddy, to end The Daily Stormer’s service. The site then registered with Google, which also quickly canceled its hosting. But it wasn’t until Cloudflare, a website security and performance service, dropped the site as a client that The Daily Stormer truly lost its ability to stay online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/o...nt=1&pgtype=se
Private companies should have the freedom to choose their clientele be it choosing to bake or not a bake a cake for gays or whether or not to host a website for the ****ing Nazis.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 02:01 PM   #6
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The Daily Stormer moved to the dark web and it's still available somewhere under a new URL. But it's more difficult to find the website. I was jealous of the young guy from Arizona who was running the blog because it was getting too much traffic.
I'm sure all the ****ing Nazis can find it.
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