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Old November 14th, 2017, 06:16 AM   #1
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Trump, Putin and the Intelligence "Hacks" and meddling in elections

I was listening to Trump's press conference yesterday especially the bit about him believing every syllable Putin utters about hacking...Did you see it? Listening to it was really funny as Trump seems to have been running his mouth off again criticised, several former top Intelligence agency officials saying they were "political hacks" for telling Trump that the Russians do actually have a case to answer. Anyway, the bozo goes on TV announcing that whatever Putin tells him about all this Russian hacking business...
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He absolutely did not meddle in our election, he did not do what they are saying he did. Everytime he sees me he says he didn't do that I Believe..I really believe that when he tells me that he means it
...okay... so he takes as gospel all that Darth Putin tells him over his own guys?? Meh..fellas' got the intellect of a cheese sandwich so I guess that’s about right anyway. Did you hear his qualification about his comments against former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennanon and the other lad (can't remember his name) at his press conference .. it was priceless...
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What I said there, I'm surprised that there's any conflict on this. What I said there is that I believe he believes that, and that's very important for somebody to believe. I believe that he feels that he and Russia did not meddle in the election. As to whether I believe it or not, I'm with our agencies, especially as currently constituted with their leadership. I believe in our intel agencies, our intelligence agencies. I've worked with them very strongly. There weren’t seventeen as was previously reported; there were actually four. But they were saying there was seventeen; there were actually four. But as currently led by fine people, I believe very much in our intelligence agencies.
So you Americans spend gazillions of clams on your plethora of intelligence agencies (could be between four to seventeen but hey who's counting) and have legions of folk all working their tripe out trying to protect you and your systems from all this cyber stuff and then there are these career intelligence officers... the guys that actually run these agencies saying "well hold it their Hoss this is actually happening" and this Trump wazzock says NIET! and then sucks up whatever Putin tells him!? Ya gotta love the guy. I bet Putin treats him like an old family pet spaniel; in he shuffles with whatshername tagging along and Putin tosses the lad a doggie bikkie to which he rolls over, tongue out panting for a tummy rub while Putin’s' got his hands up whatshernames bra twiddling her mashynibblicks.

Is this getting any play in the States or is it just another day in the office... Trump running his mouth... pat him on the head and roll him off to the next priceless bit of bullshit.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:02 AM   #2
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I was listening to Trump's press conference yesterday especially the bit about him believing every syllable Putin utters about hacking...Did you see it? Listening to it was really funny as Trump seems to have been running his mouth off again criticised, several former top Intelligence agency officials saying they were "political hacks" for telling Trump that the Russians do actually have a case to answer. Anyway, the bozo goes on TV announcing that whatever Putin tells him about all this Russian hacking business...

...okay... so he takes as gospel all that Darth Putin tells him over his own guys?? Meh..fellas' got the intellect of a cheese sandwich so I guess that’s about right anyway. Did you hear his qualification about his comments against former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennanon and the other lad (can't remember his name) at his press conference .. it was priceless...


So you Americans spend gazillions of clams on your plethora of intelligence agencies (could be between four to seventeen but hey who's counting) and have legions of folk all working their tripe out trying to protect you and your systems from all this cyber stuff and then there are these career intelligence officers... the guys that actually run these agencies saying "well hold it their Hoss this is actually happening" and this Trump wazzock says NIET! and then sucks up whatever Putin tells him!? Ya gotta love the guy. I bet Putin treats him like an old family pet spaniel; in he shuffles with whatshername tagging along and Putin tosses the lad a doggie bikkie to which he rolls over, tongue out panting for a tummy rub while Putin’s' got his hands up whatshernames bra twiddling her mashynibblicks.

Is this getting any play in the States or is it just another day in the office... Trump running his mouth... pat him on the head and roll him off to the next priceless bit of bullshit.
It is important to understand that a majority of Americans are fully embarrassed and disgusted with our President. The minority is extremely loud and enjoy yelling all over digital media but do not actually represent what most of United States citizens think. Added to this will be the next six months and impending Meuller bombshell shrapnel that will completely decimate what is left of the GOP and remove Trump from office completely.
This country is going through a difficult growth spurt right now and the rest of the world must deal with it too....Sorry.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:21 AM   #3
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This country is going through a difficult growth spurt right now and the rest of the world must deal with it too....Sorry.
...I just cannot get my head round the fact that Trump has his tongue up Putin's ass!!?? I mean Putin and his whole security services are a real issue and all the time you have that Trump weedling his tougue further up his hole it just strengthens his position and motives.

You simply cannot treat professional career men like the former heads CIA/DIA etc like they were conspiracy theorists or foil headed loonies with a screw loose. The whole basis of cyber warfare is that it is almost impossible to acurately attribute it to a specific team or individual or agency and if attribution is almost impossible it makes accusation plausibly deniable thus he should STFU and listen to those who have a grip on it and take their counsel not the enemy's. This is a war and the Russians are winning it because they have sown dissent and confusion in the ranks of the establishment and tied them up in knots.

When are the scales going to drop from the Trump fanbois!!
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:33 AM   #4
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...I just cannot get my head round the fact that Trump has his tongue up Putin's ass!!?? I mean Putin and his whole security services are a real issue and all the time you have that Trump weedling his tougue further up his hole it just strengthens his position and motives.

You simply cannot treat professional career men like the former heads CIA/DIA etc like they were conspiracy theorists or foil headed loonies with a screw loose. The whole basis of cyber warfare is that it is almost impossible to acurately attribute it to a specific team or individual or agency and if attribution is almost impossible it makes accusation plausibly deniable thus he should STFU and listen to those who have a grip on it and take their counsel not the enemy's. This is a war and the Russians are winning it because they have sown dissent and confusion in the ranks of the establishment and tied them up in knots.

When are the scales going to drop from the Trump fanbois!!
The hammer is slowly falling and then time is short (as in months) before Trumps entire farce comes tumbling down. It has already begun and Meuller has not even begun the harsh stuff yet. Trump co will become bankrupted and his family/employess facing prison shortly. His "Name" is already worthless.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:39 AM   #5
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It has already begun and Meuller has not even begun the harsh stuff yet.
What's happening with this investigation... we don't really see much this side of the pond?
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:12 AM   #6
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What's happening with this investigation... we don't really see much this side of the pond?
Thus far in the last month, Four close associates have been called in for grand jury testimony and indictments filed.
Exclusive: First charges filed in Mueller investigation - CNNPolitics

It is expected that Trump Jr. and Kushner have about a month before being called in.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #7
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Preserving documents and e-mails...Hmmm....I can imagine a massive shredding operation has been undertaken on scale of Oliver North and Fawn Hall!!
He has pardon powers for himself and aids?
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Preserving documents and e-mails...Hmmm....I can imagine a massive shredding operation has been undertaken on scale of Oliver North and Fawn Hall!!
He has pardon powers for himself and aids?
Meuller is a very intelligent prosecutor as well as ex FBI chief, he has partnered with State attorneys general to make sure what he does sticks. Trump has federal pardon powers but is impotent in State matters. Even if he had the balls to try it would fail and impeachment would follow almost immediately.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 09:43 AM   #9
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Are there any sort of privacy laws a sitting president can claim protection of?
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Old November 14th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #10
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Are there any sort of privacy laws a sitting president can claim protection of?
The President is a citizen and has the rights all others do. Most privacy rights go by the wayside when under criminal investigation however.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 03:15 PM   #11
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He has pardon powers for himself and aids?
Yes BUT... States can file charges independently and as sovereign nations in their own rights (the US is a federation) Trump can't do anything. Accepting a pardon is also a sentence free guilty plea and as such can and WILL be used against defendants in state courts. So unless the governors want to go down with Trump, his pardon powers are a paper tiger.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 03:39 PM   #12
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It is important to understand that a majority of Americans are fully embarrassed and disgusted with our President....
This country is going through a difficult growth spurt right now and the rest of the world must deal with it too....Sorry.
Why is it that, since the middle of the nineteenth century, all advanced nations in the world has adopted a parliamentary system of government, rather than one constructed after the American model? Is it because, as the former tenant of the White House said, "They hate us because we are so good"? No, my friends, it is because anyone with the intelligence of a high-grade moron can see that the parliamentary system is better than the American system. For one thing, governments will fall when they have lost the confidence of the governed, and new elections will be called. I remember well the Nixon débâcle; the helicopter of the victory-signing presidential madman had scarcely left Washington when a television reporter appeared on the screen of the boob-tube and intoned, with all the vigor of one newly risen from the grave, that Nixon's resignation "shows that the System works." Well, I have news for you, folks, that multi-year political nightmare proved just the opposite; and the present domestic political nightmare proves and will prove, yet again, that the American political system does not work.

So, parliamentary systems, as a matter of brute historical fact, work better than the American system; and they allow for rapid political change when the need arises, unlike the American system. What are some other characteristics of a parliamentary system? Well, the executive, the cabinet, is chosen by the members of parliament rather than by the whim of the ignorant multitude. That the American voters, brainwashed as they are by the tricks of monopoly media, could have come even close to electing George W. Bush or Donald Trump as their president, shows how lacking in political acumen they are at present....

In well-developed parliamentary systems, the civil service is the fly-wheel of government, and keeps the system going, whatever may be the temporary vagaries of the elected representatives. The key element in a good civil service is esprit de corps---an element notably lacking in American governance and, indeed, in American life in general. The American military and parts of the American business and economic conspiracy often flatter themselves with the delusion that they have infused much esprit de corps into their respective organizations, but, in fact, the only area of American life wherein you see a notable degree of this spirit is within sporting teams.

In societies which are more civilized than that of America and whose civil services rise above the sorry, slovenly American example, honors play an important part in creating and maintaining a high level of esprit de corps within the civil service---and, indeed, within many other social institutions. We need to make a serious study of the use of honors and non-monetary perquisites to stabilize the morale of governance and society.
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Why is it that, since the middle of the nineteenth century, all advanced nations in the world has adopted a parliamentary system of government, rather than one constructed after the American model? Is it because, as the former tenant of the White House said, "They hate us because we are so good"? No, my friends, it is because anyone with the intelligence of a high-grade moron can see that the parliamentary system is better than the American system. For one thing, governments will fall when they have lost the confidence of the governed, and new elections will be called. I remember well the Nixon débâcle; the helicopter of the victory-signing presidential madman had scarcely left Washington when a television reporter appeared on the screen of the boob-tube and intoned, with all the vigor of one newly risen from the grave, that Nixon's resignation "shows that the System works." Well, I have news for you, folks, that multi-year political nightmare proved just the opposite; and the present domestic political nightmare proves and will prove, yet again, that the American political system does not work.

So, parliamentary systems, as a matter of brute historical fact, work better than the American system; and they allow for rapid political change when the need arises, unlike the American system. What are some other characteristics of a parliamentary system? Well, the executive, the cabinet, is chosen by the members of parliament rather than by the whim of the ignorant multitude. That the American voters, brainwashed as they are by the tricks of monopoly media, could have come even close to electing George W. Bush or Donald Trump as their president, shows how lacking in political acumen they are at present....

In well-developed parliamentary systems, the civil service is the fly-wheel of government, and keeps the system going, whatever may be the temporary vagaries of the elected representatives. The key element in a good civil service is esprit de corps---an element notably lacking in American governance and, indeed, in American life in general. The American military and parts of the American business and economic conspiracy often flatter themselves with the delusion that they have infused much esprit de corps into their respective organizations, but, in fact, the only area of American life wherein you see a notable degree of this spirit is within sporting teams.

In societies which are more civilized than that of America and whose civil services rise above the sorry, slovenly American example, honors play an important part in creating and maintaining a high level of esprit de corps within the civil service---and, indeed, within many other social institutions. We need to make a serious study of the use of honors and non-monetary perquisites to stabilize the morale of governance and society.
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