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Old December 9th, 2017, 11:10 AM   #1
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Can Russia exert influence to denuclearize North Korea?

1. The following are excerpts from Vladimir Soldatkin's December 8, 2017 news report headlined "Russia says ready to exert influence on North Korea: Ifax" at https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-sa...144250211.html

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia has communication channels with North Korea open and Moscow is ready to exert its influence on Pyongyang, Interfax news agency quoted Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Morgulov as saying on Tuesday.

"We have channels, through which we are conducting a dialogue, and we are ready to deploy them, we are ready to exert our influence on North Korea," Morgulov was quoted as saying at a conference in Berlin... (End excerpts)

2. Since the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Russia has been absent for quite sometime from the great power rivalry in Northeast Asia, but now there are strong indications that it is back at its old power game in North Korea.

If North Korean nuclear missiles could strike the entire continental US as claimed by the North Korean devil incarnate, they could also destroy all major cities in China and Russia including Beijing and Moscow. Hence the high tolerance of the two giant neighbours for the North Korean nuclear missile threat is beyond all comprehension. All the more so, they come running at the bidding of their impoverished North Korean small brother (or rather, Big Brother).

Russia seems to use North Korea as a pawn or bargaining chip against the US and its allies to lift the economic sanctions as punishment for its annexation of Crimea. If Russia can really force North Korea to fully disarm like Japan and Germany after their unconditional surrender in World War 2, there will be no doubt it can exert its influence to denuclearize the rogue state. In that case, it is worthwhile, though unethical, for the US to recognise Russia's annexation of Crimea and lift all sanctions as carrots for its help to efffectively denuclearize North Korea, just like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union secretly and illegally divided Eastern Europe into spheres of influence before the start of World War II. Unfortunately, unlike Ukraine, North Korea is no easy meat for Russia. In the end, Russia will discover to its bitterness that it will be outplayed, like China, by North Korea.

However, unlike China, Russia is clearheaded enough not to have an "intense infatuation" for North Korea. According to a book review entitled Shen, Mao, Stalin and the Korean War: Trilateral Communist Relations in the 1950s, 2012 | US-China Institute

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A record of Stalin's conversations with Kim Il Sung in April 1950 quoted by Russian scholars Evgenii Bazhanov and Natalia Bazhanova, but not included in Shen's account, reveals that the Soviet leader explained to his Korean protege that it was now possible to assist him in his military campaign against the South because of the victory of the Chinese Communists and the disinclination of the Americans to intervene in Korea. Nonetheless, Stalin cautioned that they must proceed carefully because the danger of American intervention remained. He thus informed the North Korean leader that if the Korean People's Army needed reinforcements, he would have to turn to China; Soviet troops will not be sent to Korea. (End excerpts)

Unless North Korea could use its nuclear missiles to regain Alaska for the Russian Empire which sold it to the US for approximately two cents per acre on March 30, 1867, it should not expect its giant neighbour to help it finish its unfinished business of subduing the South under the Kim Dynasty's banner. If there is another Korean War, the Great Bear would be cunning and smart enough to be the rogue regime's spokesman and moral supporter at the most. On the other hand, there is a high probability for the Dragon, with its fossilized memories and notions, to let itself drag to eternal doom by its North Korean small brother (or rather, Big Brother).

Russia's caution and craftiness in avoiding a war with a powerful foe can be compared to the bolting of the priest's white horse in my political satire posted on January 26, 2014 under the title When hell breaks loose

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Narrator: The huge black dog was taken out from the dungeon and chained to the gate of the old man's mountain fortress next day. Meanwhile, the priest was riding a white horse like the wind towards the old man's mountain fortress which was a magnificent castle built on top of a high rock reaching 2000 m above sea level.

As noon approached, he came in sight of the old man's castle after travelling a long way up the mountain. The white horse came to an abrupt halt with whitened eyes and flicking ears. Its nostrils expanded and quivered as it snorted and blew in the direction of the castle.

Suddenly it let out a loud neigh, spun around and bolted out in the opposite direction. The priest was caught completely off guard and was thrown to the ground. As he was skilled in gongfu and occultism, he managed to land on his feet with some minor bruises and scratches on his arms.

Sighing and shaking his head, he lamented: "Now I understand why Ambrose Gwinnett Bierce (American editorialist, journalist, short story writer, fabulist and satirist) said that 'friendship is a ship big enough to carry two in fair weather, but only one in foul'." By this time, the terrified horse had disappeared into the distance. He picked up his bundle of personal belongings and slung it over his right shoulder. After picking up his staff, he was about to continue his journey when he heard a loud hooting sound coming from above. In response, he asked: "Who? Who?" At once, he got the reply: "A friend." Looking up, he saw an owl perching on a branch. (End excerpts)

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201507311025262334/

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sanctio...170748129.html

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Old December 9th, 2017, 11:47 AM   #2
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Old December 9th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #3
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Unless Russia upgrades their conventional military to 21st century standards and starts sending regular food shipments NK is going to tell them to **** off.
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The leader of the Duma recently met with North Koreans and he claimed that North Korea is ready to negotiate with the United States on the nuclear issue. But there is one condition and Russia needs to mediate the negotiations. I think neither Russia nor China feel comfortable with the nuclear button readily accessible to the unstable dictator, who is increasingly uncontrollable.

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Dec. 1, 2017 (EIRNS)—According to Vitaly Pashin of the State Duma, the lower house of Russia’s bicameral Federal Assembly, "North Korea is currently ready to conduct negotiations with the U.S. with the participation of Russia as a third party," Pashin told TASS, commenting on the results of the talks between the Russian parliamentary delegation and the North Korean leadership in Pyongyang, Nov. 27-Dec. 1.

Addressing the issue of why North Korea is continuing its missile tests, Pashin said,

"According to North Korean representatives, they were forced to demonstrate the ability to adequately respond to any aggression from the U.S., the ability to strike at any territory of America. This is the first missile launch since the last one carried out by North Korea on Sept. 15. Since then, Pyongyang had refrained from military provocations for 75 days awaiting reciprocal steps from the U.S., which, instead of meeting [North Korea] halfway, announced large-scale surprise military drills."

Pashin said,

"We are against the escalation of the conflict and for a peaceful resolution of the issue through negotiations. That said, I fully support the position of our president and the Foreign Ministry on the issue."

Pashin was a member of a delegation of Russian lawmakers led by its coordinator, Kazbek Taisayev, whick visited Pyongyang at the invitation of the North Korean parliament.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang today said that China has called for a global effort to solve the crisis on the Korean Peninsula.

"China and Russia have a common stance on the Korean Peninsula issue, maintaining contact with each other. Both countries have come up with initiatives to resolve the issue peacefully, putting forward clear and understandable projects, which may help find a way out of the current situation. We hope that all the interested parties will adopt a sincere and positive attitude, pooling their efforts to ease tensions on the Korean Peninsula in order to return to the negotiating table as soon as possible."

Geng also said that North Korea, "fully understands the importance of initiatives aimed at de-escalating the conflict, which were proposed by China and Russia."
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Don't worry. American voters will have a chance to kick out your so-called "unstable dictator" on your behalf from the White House on November 3, 2020.
I'm taking about Little Kim. I think President Trump is capable enough to handle the nuclear button. The Chinese and Russians are worried about a possible nuclear war along their borders and there is a developing consensus that taking nukes away from Little Kim is necessary. Russia is ready to cooperate with the West on that matter and North Korea is concerned about “guarantees for its security,” for which North Korea would abandon its nuclear bombs.

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The leader of the Duma recently met with North Koreans and he claimed that North Korea is ready to negotiate with the United States on the nuclear issue. But there is one condition and Russia needs to mediate the negotiations. I think neither Russia nor China feel comfortable with the nuclear button readily accessible to the unstable dictator, who is increasingly uncontrollable.
I thought you were talking about NK.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 06:41 PM   #6
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Russia can best help by nuking Pyongyang.

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The leader of the Duma recently met with North Koreans and he claimed that North Korea is ready to negotiate with the United States on the nuclear issue. But there is one condition and Russia needs to mediate the negotiations. I think neither Russia nor China feel comfortable with the nuclear button readily accessible to the unstable dictator, who is increasingly uncontrollable.
Don't worry. American voters will have a chance to kick out your so-called "unstable dictator" on your behalf from the White House on November 3, 2020.

Unfortunately for the Russians, Chinese and particularly the North Koreans, they will never have any chance in their lifetime to kick out their dictators.

In particular, please note that Fatboy Kim is 35 years old. Assuming that he won't die of accident, cancer or AIDS, he could easily live to 85 or even longer. By then, he will outlive all the leaders of America, China, Russia, Japan and many other countries. With 50 years ahead of him, he can raise enough hells or storms that are more destructive than the 10 most destructive hurricanes in US history.

If you care to do some research in the Internet, you will find that the North Korean fat boy is more unstable than your so-called "unstable dictator". Moreover, only the call of Satan 50 years later can finally keep the most uncontrollable devil incarnate ever born on Earth under control.

If the authorities of Russia or China are still at ease with the North Korean nuclear missile threat, something must have gone terribly wrong with their heads. North Korean nuclear missiles are too close for comfort for all the people of China and Russia. Taking an analogy, the flood water has risen to the level of their necks, but they are still deep in slumber.

My parting shot: Stop your figure skating, my dear Russian comrade! Run for your life before the "flood water" of the North Korean nuclear threat rises above your head, or else you wll never again have the chance to enjoy figure skating as a sport or an art in the "third term" of your (political?) career.

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I don't quite see why any other government should do anything to help the USA, since the Buffoon will show no gratitude anyway - even if he had heard of that feeling, he is too incompetent to organise anything solid.
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I don't quite see why any other government should do anything to help the USA
Ummm..... it would indubitably help the entire WORLD!!! - hello?!
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The Chinese and Russians are worried about a possible nuclear war along their borders and there is a developing consensus that taking nukes away from Little Kim is necessary.
Are you sure that China and Russia are serious in "taking nukes away from Little Kim"?

The governments of China and Russia are guilty and answerable to the world

(a) for their negligence to prevent North Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons from the very beginning;

(b) for not using every means at their disposal to denuclearize the North Korean monster now.

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North Korea is concerned about “guarantees for its security,” for which North Korea would abandon its nuclear bombs.
1. You are rather na´ve to believe the North Korean lie on concerning about “guarantees for its security”. Please refer to the following excerpts from my thread entitled North Korea's nuclear blackmail

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What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons? It is not for ensuring the survival of the North Korean regime as commonly propagated by the state media. This lame excuse is refuted by the following facts.

(a) It was not nuclear weapons but Chinese intervention that rescued the North Korean communists and prevented them from completely wiped out by US-led UN forces in the 1950 Korean War.

(b) It is the Chinese nuclear umbrella that ensures the continued survival of the "Impossible State".

(c) It is the Chinese economic lifeline that prevents the collapse of the "Impossible State". (End excerpts)

2. You are also naive to believe that North Korea would abandon its nuclear bombs once its security is guaranteed. Please refer the following excerpts from the same thread that explains why North Korea will never dismantle its nuclear program.

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Taking away the China factor from the equation, the nuclear-armed rogue state would be just as vulnerable and helpless as Saddam Hussein"s Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi's Libya or a lone island in the ocean. Now we come back to the question: What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons?

North Korea cannot keep on accumulating nuclear weapons for ever. There will come a point in time it has to put them into "good use". For what use and purpose?

It's not hard to see the goal of North Korea's nuclear missile programme, that is, to finish the unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to subdue the South and rule the Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty using nuclear blackmail. Once the US forces withdraw from Asia, the majority of the population in South Korea would rather opt to wave the white flag than see their country become a "sea of fire". (End excerpts)

3. North Korea has said umpteen times that its nuclear weapons are non-negotiable. So wake up to the reality.

Please refer to the link entitled North Korea: Nukes are non-negotiable - CNN Video

"North Korea says its nuclear weapons are non-negotiable and the US must learn to co-exist with a nuclear North Korea."

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