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Old February 7th, 2017, 11:32 PM   #21
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They INDEED are! When automation replaces humans, it is ALWAYS done to increase PRODUCTIVITY. With increased productivity, naturally is INCREASED output. So if all that REALLY happened, the we would see RECORD coal production. Since the OPPOSITE has happened (production WAY down), all of the ASSUMPTIONS by others on this thread of what really happened are FALSE.
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Now you are conflating two entirely UNRELATED items in a fallacious attempt to support your unsustainable premise.

The decline in coal USAGE corresponds with alternative energy sources such as nuclear and natural gas. As with any technology that is in decline it would experience a corresponding decline in employment that has NOTHING whatsoever to with regulations.

Labor has ALWAYS been one of the most expensive aspects of any industry and automation to reduce labor costs is a given wherever and whenever possible in order to maximize profits. Yes, this results in declining employment in the industry but it has ZERO to do with regulations.

Onus is entirely upon you to prove that regulations were passed that resulted in significant drops in employment. For instance if you could point to an existing mine being shut down because it was polluting the habitat of an endangered species then you might have a point but you alleged 20,000 job losses so that is going to take a lot of such instances. And FTR the coal industry in WV has a special exemption so it doesn't have to obey any such EPA regulations.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 04:24 AM   #22
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IF decrease coal production was due alternatives being used, it would be a very gradual drop over decades. Not a massive drop in 5 years! Kindly try to be realistic!

Projected coal use has the steepest ramp up of all sources! So it is hardly in the "going away phase". The ONLY reason production is down in the U.S. is excessive REGULATION. Notice how "renewables" have a very gradual slope, almost flat.

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Old February 8th, 2017, 04:35 AM   #23
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Renewable energy capacity overtakes coal

The International Energy Agency says that the world's capacity to generate electricity from renewable sources has now overtaken coal.
The IEA says in a new report that last year, renewables accounted for more than half of the increase in power capacity.
The report says half a million solar panels were installed every day last year around the world.
In China, it says, there were two wind turbines set up every hour.
Renewable energy sources, such as wind, solar and hydro are seen as a key element in international efforts to combat climate change.
At this stage, it is the capacity to generate power that has overtaken coal, rather than the amount of electricity actually produced.
Renewable energy capacity overtakes coal - BBC News
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Old February 8th, 2017, 04:48 AM   #24
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The bottom line is that once excessive regulations come to an end, U.S. coal production will increase dramatically, and many of the 180,000 jobs lost under Obama will indeed return.
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The bottom line is that once excessive regulations come to an end, U.S. coal production will increase dramatically, and many of the 180,000 jobs lost under Obama will indeed return.
Uninformed fantasy is not an attractive replacement for reality.
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Uninformed fantasy is not an attractive replacement for reality.
Indeed! Glad to see you are being practical.

China with have a HUGE need for coal over the next 30 years, so even if we don't necessarily have a huge need for it domestically, much of our coal will be exported, and we'll STILL have a big market for it.

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IF decrease coal production was due alternatives being used, it would be a very gradual drop over decades. Not a massive drop in 5 years! Kindly try to be realistic!

Projected coal use has the steepest ramp up of all sources! So it is hardly in the "going away phase". The ONLY reason production is down in the U.S. is excessive REGULATION. Notice how "renewables" have a very gradual slope, almost flat.

Now you are just flailing around with irrelevant distractions that have nothing whatsoever to do with employment in the US coal industry.

You have not produced anything that substantiates your bogus allegation about regulations and that says volumes.
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Now you are just flailing around with irrelevant distractions that have nothing whatsoever to do with employment in the US coal industry.

You have not produced anything that substantiates your bogus allegation about regulations and that says volumes.
Show how BIG demand for coal in the many, years to come, along with reduced regulation/gov't. interference will NOT result in a booming U.S. coal industry!

If you cannot, you are simply PISSING in the wind!

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I have decided to not feed the troll(s) anymore, so this is my last word on this thread!
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I have decided to not feed the troll(s) anymore, so this is my last word on this thread!
That you have failed completely to prove your premise that regulations cost the coal industry 20,000 jobs is duly noted and your concession on your baseless position is accepted.

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Old February 8th, 2017, 11:52 PM   #31
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Show how BIG demand for coal in the many, years to come, along with reduced regulation/gov't. interference will NOT result in a booming U.S. coal industry!

If you cannot, you are simply PISSING in the wind!

How does one "show" future demand....or anything in the future for that matter?
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darklord, et al,

Oh, the timetable is not the important part. It is building and reshaping the face of America and dumping the 20th Century thinkers in Washington.

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We all know that all over the world their is a discussions about a rescission going hot on all the tables of the Economists and the data we get also suggest that there is a possibility of some stages of growth to be reduced. According to you how much time will the rescission rule the US?
(COMMENT)

The "American Society of Civil Engineers" has the right idea. To make a new beginning, American has to want to improve. It has to want to be first among industrialized nations of the world.

Propose practical solutions to maintain & modernize our nationís deteriorating infrastructure

In addition the American Society of Science and Engineering has this idea that America should strive to:

"Exercise worldwide leadership in Science engineering,"
"Science international communication and collaboration," and
"facilitate international cooperation in matters pertaining to engineering education."

Both are committed to make America one of the most influential R&D centers in the world. America must become a new Alexandria for the 21st century; the center of the world --- attracting brilliant theorists and becoming the place where dreamers of science will want to come and flourish.

To do that, American needs a new kind of leadership in Washington that thinks past their petty political ends --- and the new breed that thinks more highly of leaps in science and technology and the development of America.

Yes, the "IT" is very important.

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darklord, et al,

Oh, the timetable is not the important part. It is building and reshaping the face of America and dumping the 20th Century thinkers in Washington.


(COMMENT)

The "American Society of Civil Engineers" has the right idea. To make a new beginning, American has to want to improve. It has to want to be first among industrialized nations of the world.

Propose practical solutions to maintain & modernize our nationís deteriorating infrastructure

In addition the American Society of Science and Engineering has this idea that America should strive to:

"Exercise worldwide leadership in Science engineering,"
"Science international communication and collaboration," and
"facilitate international cooperation in matters pertaining to engineering education."

Both are committed to make America one of the most influential R&D centers in the world. America must become a new Alexandria for the 21st century; the center of the world --- attracting brilliant theorists and becoming the place where dreamers of science will want to come and flourish.

To do that, American needs a new kind of leadership in Washington that thinks past their petty political ends --- and the new breed that thinks more highly of leaps in science and technology and the development of America.

Yes, the "IT" is very important.

Most Respectfully,
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Too bad the bolded above is NOT going to happen under the Trump regime.
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Old February 9th, 2017, 07:39 AM   #34
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Too bad the bolded above is NOT going to happen under the Trump regime.
Post a photo of your crystal ball!

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Post a photo of your crystal ball!
It takes no psychic ability to evaluate a situation for possibility and likelihood. Purposefully blocking the obvious for purposes of fooling oneself into a comfort zone does not change this.
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It takes no psychic ability to evaluate a situation for possibility and likelihood. Purposefully blocking the obvious for purposes of fooling oneself into a comfort zone does not change this.
This is a YES or NO question.

Are you saying that while our new and much improved President is talking about greatly improving United States infrastructure, he will do the exact opposite??? just curious!
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This is a YES or NO question.

Are you saying that while our new and much improved President is talking about greatly improving United States infrastructure, he will do the exact opposite??? just curious!
No, I am stating that you in particular do not seem to be an overly deep thinker and seem lacking in the intellectual prowess generally required to logically evaluate reality based situations. Might I recommend you stick to discussing your bodily function issues and avoid discussing complexity.
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Old February 9th, 2017, 08:37 AM   #38
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No, I am stating that you in particular do not seem to be an overly deep thinker and seem lacking in the intellectual prowess generally required to logically evaluate reality based situations. Might I recommend you stick to discussing your bodily function issues and avoid discussing complexity.
LOL!!! Enough of the silly diversions, OK? What about the actual topic at hand???
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Post a photo of your crystal ball!
Why does anyone need a crystal ball to predict the obvious?

Trump has a documented history of behavior and everything that he is doing now is fits exactly within his documented history.

It doesn't take a crystal ball to recognize the inevitable outcome of giving someone as predictable as Trump enough rope to hang themselves.
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Old February 9th, 2017, 10:00 AM   #40
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Why does anyone need a crystal ball to predict the obvious?

Trump has a documented history of behavior and everything that he is doing now is fits exactly within his documented history.

It doesn't take a crystal ball to recognize the inevitable outcome of giving someone as predictable as Trump enough rope to hang themselves.
But..... he has ZERO history as President. So KINDLY give him a chance!!!
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