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Old January 12th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #1
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The World is Flat

Check out this talk given by multiple Pulitzer winner Thomas Friedman at MIT. It is based on his book "The World is Flat" and discusses globalization and how we are all getting to be on an equal playing field and what that means to America. It is a long video, but worth the time if you have it:

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/266
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Check out this talk given by multiple Pulitzer winner Thomas Friedman at MIT. It is based on his book "The World is Flat" and discusses globalization and how we are all getting to be on an equal playing field and what that means to America. It is a long video, but worth the time if you have it:

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/266
So the world is flat! I don't want to hear anymore about the world is not flat!

Seriously, I agree with some of what he says. I also disagree with some of it. Not because I think he is wrong. Just with if it is good or bad.

But I am someone that would prefer living in the woods and maybe seeing 5 people a year. But that is no longer available to me.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #3
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Friedman is an archtype libfascist. He's praised China as a country where leaders can "get things done" without the bother of getting it democratically approved as in the U.S. Like all libfascists, he's dripping with arrogance. He's an exponent of the libfascist notion that government should be run by "experts" in an administrative state. We've seen some of that with obama, and the results that come from the "experts" - obamacare, trillions more in national debt with nothing to show for it, an endless deep recession, unconstitutional acts by the Ear Man, cut-and-run from two wars, Iran about to develope a nuke, islamofascist takeover in egypt and probably other arab countries, etc etc etc
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Old January 13th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #4
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Friedman is an archtype libfascist. He's praised China as a country where leaders can "get things done" without the bother of getting it democratically approved as in the U.S. Like all libfascists, he's dripping with arrogance. He's an exponent of the libfascist notion that government should be run by "experts" in an administrative state. We've seen some of that with obama, and the results that come from the "experts" - obamacare, trillions more in national debt with nothing to show for it, an endless deep recession, unconstitutional acts by the Ear Man, cut-and-run from two wars, Iran about to develope a nuke, islamofascist takeover in egypt and probably other arab countries, etc etc etc
Ad hominem much? How about you comment on the actual contents of the video posted instead?
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Old January 13th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #5
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Ad hominem much? How about you comment on the actual contents of the video posted instead?
Stating what Friedman has said is not "ad hominem".
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Old January 13th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #6
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Stating what Friedman has said is not "ad hominem".
Calling him a "lib fascist" and arrogant are personal attacks. Your silly opinions on what he is does not matter and is not relevant to what he is saying in this video or elsewhere.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 02:31 PM   #7
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Calling him a "lib fascist" and arrogant are personal attacks.
No, they're facts.

It's useful for uninformed people (as usual, that would include YOU) to know where he's coming from - libfascist statism.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #8
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No, they're facts.

It's useful for uninformed people (as usual, that would include YOU) to know where he's coming from - libfascist statism.
You think Friedman is a fascist and you think I am the one that is uninformed?
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You think Friedman is a fascist and you think I am the one that is uninformed?
That would be a "yes".
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Old January 13th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #10
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That would be a "yes".
It was clearly a rhetorical question Most people can see who is uninformed.
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Patrick, et al,

I can to some degree, understand your diehard faith in the un-foul-ability of the American Democratic system, and the institutions that have brought the nation that put a man on the moon, to having our astronauts hitchhiking into space.
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Friedman is an archtype libfascist. He's praised China as a country where leaders can "get things done" without the bother of getting it democratically approved as in the U.S. Like all libfascists, he's dripping with arrogance. He's an exponent of the libfascist notion that government should be run by "experts" in an administrative state. We've seen some of that with obama, and the results that come from the "experts" - obamacare, trillions more in national debt with nothing to show for it, an endless deep recession, unconstitutional acts by the Ear Man, cut-and-run from two wars, Iran about to develope a nuke, islamofascist takeover in egypt and probably other arab countries, etc etc etc
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Friedman is not a liberal fascist, in the sense that he even remotely expresses the ideals of the early 20th Century Model devised by Mussolini. He does express a need for American Institutions to be more patriotic and act more in the best interest of the nation. He opposes the Gordon Gecko (The character in the Movie: Wall Street) approach that "Greed is Good."

Some of your examples may be very questionable:

The current Administration is NOT run by experts, any more than the "Whiz Kids" were the experts during Vietnam, or that the PNAC Fellowship represented expert talent in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The current Administration is not really responsible for the Trillion Dollar debt, as it was accumulated over the Bush administration.

The "Cut'n'Run" mantra is just a rationalization of what is happening. We (the US) was asked to leave Iraq; and after a decade of struggle in Afghanistan --- (longer than WWII and longer than Vietnam), it is time to try something different. As is often quoted, you can do the same things over and over again - and expect much difference in the results. And we've been doing the same things, over and over again, since Vietnam.

Most people tend to think that "terrorism" and "Iran" are real threats. But if you look at the much bigger picture, the Economy and Debt are the biggest threats to our national security. And in that regard, Friedman is in very good company.
  • Joint Chiefs Chairman: Debt Is Top Security Threat - The Joint ...
    http://www.zimbio.com/.../Joint+Chie...op+Security+Th...
    Jan 5, 2012 – Adm. Mike Mullen, the nation's senior military official, recently described the national debt as America's “biggest national security threat. ...
  • Adm. Mike Mullen: 'National Debt Is Our Biggest Security Threat'
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../ad...nal_n_624096.h...
    Jun 24, 2010 – America's highest-ranking military official thinks the U.S. has bigger security problems than al-Qaeda, suicide bombers and an increasingly ...
  • Mullen: Debt is top national security threat - CNN
    articles.cnn.com/.../debt.security.mullen_1_pentagon-budget-national...
    Aug 27, 2010 – The national debt is bad for the military, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen is telling business men and women and others on ...
  • Lexington: Terrible swift sword | The Economist
    www.economist.com/node/21540257
    Nov 26, 2011 – IN THE summer of 2010 Admiral Mike Mullen, then still chairman of ...that the biggest security threat facing the nation was the national debt. ...

Be less hard on Friedman and tougher on those 535 lazy ass bums that represent our leadership. Its time that they actually act in the best interest of the nation, and concentrate on the problems at home which once made America Great.

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Old January 19th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #12
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Patrick, et al,

I can to some degree, understand your diehard faith in the un-foul-ability of the American Democratic system, and the institutions that have brought the nation that put a man on the moon, to having our astronauts hitchhiking into space.
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Friedman is not a liberal fascist, in the sense that he even remotely expresses the ideals of the early 20th Century Model devised by Mussolini.

I didn't say he was a just plain fascist like Mussolini. But there is no doubt that libs like him and the italian fascists have the same intellectual roots, as layed out chapter and verse in the book "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg.

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He does express a need for American Institutions to be more patriotic and act more in the best interest of the nation.
The problem is that he thinks the liberal elite, not what he views as the unwashed rabble, are better at determining what the best interest is, all historical evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

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The current Administration is NOT run by experts, any more than the "Whiz Kids" were the experts during Vietnam, or that the PNAC Fellowship represented expert talent in Iraq or Afghanistan.
How about all of obama's "czars"? How about acts of massive increase of administrative power such as the EPA declaring that CO2 is air pollution, opening the door for them administratively control a huge amount of activities?

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The current Administration is not really responsible for the Trillion Dollar debt, as it was accumulated over the Bush administration.
That's factually false. Sure, RINO Bush and the democrat congress greatly increased the debt, but obama has increased it $4 trillion.

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The "Cut'n'Run" mantra is just a rationalization of what is happening. We (the US) was asked to leave Iraq; and after a decade of struggle in Afghanistan --- (longer than WWII and longer than Vietnam), it is time to try something different. As is often quoted, you can do the same things over and over again - and expect much difference in the results. And we've been doing the same things, over and over again, since Vietnam.
The US had an obligation to leave what it started in iraq in a good state, but obama just set an arbitrary deadline and walked away. The length of time in afghanistan versus other wars has nothing to do with anything. And simply, once again, walking away at an arbitrary deadline isn't "trying something different", it's just walking away. We haven't just done the same thing over and over - eg, the expelling of iraq from kuwait in the gulf war was completely successful.

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Most people tend to think that "terrorism" and "Iran" are real threats. But if you look at the much bigger picture, the Economy and Debt are the biggest threats to our national security. And in that regard, Friedman is in very good company.
  • Joint Chiefs Chairman: Debt Is Top Security Threat - The Joint ...
    www.zimbio.com/.../Joint+Chiefs+Chairman+Debt+Top+Security+Th...
    Jan 5, 2012 – Adm. Mike Mullen, the nation's senior military official, recently described the national debt as America's “biggest national security threat. ...
  • Adm. Mike Mullen: 'National Debt Is Our Biggest Security Threat'
    www.huffingtonpost.com/.../adm-mike-mullen-national_n_624096.h...
    Jun 24, 2010 – America's highest-ranking military official thinks the U.S. has bigger security problems than al-Qaeda, suicide bombers and an increasingly ...
  • Mullen: Debt is top national security threat - CNN
    articles.cnn.com/.../debt.security.mullen_1_pentagon-budget-national...
    Aug 27, 2010 – The national debt is bad for the military, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen is telling business men and women and others on ...
  • Lexington: Terrible swift sword | The Economist
    www.economist.com/node/21540257
    Nov 26, 2011 – IN THE summer of 2010 Admiral Mike Mullen, then still chairman of ...that the biggest security threat facing the nation was the national debt. ...
Mullen is a hand-picked obama flunky, who from your own point of view, has presided over trying the same failed policies over and over.
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Your having a great discussions here but i do believed that anyone has the right to say his/her opinion whether it is with or against to the things happening around us or shall I say to the topic given which is The World is Flat by Thomas Friedman.I believed on some aspects and also contradict to some of it and that is my opinion but I am willing to be corrected with my wrong thoughts for we are only humans that sometimes commit a mistake that serves as a lesson for each and everyone of us.And what important is live life the way it use to be and become a good example that is a great help in our society.Opinions are just opinions but we can learn something out of others point of views.
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