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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:49 AM   #21
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Electric is the past. They feel out of favor for limited battery life high cost of operation and long charge times.

I see fuel electrics being the future
The past? You haven't been following Tesla have you? Charge time isn't an issue when you just replace the battery
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:52 AM   #22
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With the right charger, you could power a battery in 30 minuets.
Yeah you still have to have a charger and a plug. I am not saying that there is no hope forthe electric car, but the technology is still inconvenient. The only one that doesn'tcompletely suck is 100k in the next couple of years a decade or two we may see an electric car fund it's place in the American freeway. But that time isn't here. Then you have fuel electric. With a littlemore development that may place the electric car on the back burner for some time.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:56 AM   #23
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The past? You haven't been following Tesla have you? Charge time isn't an issue when you just replace the battery
A $40k battery? I bought two cars for that much.

Nobody is buying the tesla. But I do believe it is an important stepping stone in the development.

The past century is littered with electric car successes and flops. Tesla is an important step but it's still decades away. I am sorry it's just to inconvenientto buy an over priced car that can't deliver what any cheap piece of junk can.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:03 AM   #24
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A $40k battery? I bought two cars for that much.

Nobody is buying the tesla. But I do believe it is an important stepping stone in the development.

The past century is littered with electric car successes and flops. Tesla is an important step but it's still decades away. I am sorry it's just to inconvenientto buy an over priced car that can't deliver what any cheap piece of junk can.
No. Tesla has built charging stations that automatically replace the battery in less time than it takes to fill up a tank of gas at a gas station for some cars. And plenty of people are buying Teslas look at sales and stock price- right now limited to the more luxury market, but cheaper models are coming.
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No. Tesla has built charging stations that automatically replace the battery in less time than it takes to fill up a tank of gas at a gas station for some cars. And plenty of people are buying Teslas look at sales and stock price- right now limited to the more luxury market, but cheaper models are coming.
A $40k battery? It won't catch on. Sorry.

Tesla sales aren't even a percent. They won't be. Theelectric car has a long way to go .
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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:14 AM   #26
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A $40k battery? It won't catch on. Sorry.

Tesla sales aren't even a percent. They won't be. Theelectric car has a long way to go .
You don't pay for the battery- they take the old one and reuse it...
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You don't pay for the battery- they take the old one and reuse it...
That is clever, but what do you do when they are out? The problem still becomes the charge time. But it is a possible solution. And maybe one that can make it more viable.

You would have to pay for somethingthey aren't going to let you have a battery charged up for free.

You see with a fuel driven car you can always walk downthe road and get some more fuel if you have to.

And if the electric car generates it's own power it would use far less fuel and you would avoid the problems.

I still think fuel electric is the future.
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That is clever, but what do you do when they are out? The problem still becomes the charge time. But it is a possible solution. And maybe one that can make it more viable.

You would have to pay for somethingthey aren't going to let you have a battery charged up for free.

You see with a fuel driven car you can always walk downthe road and get some more fuel if you have to.

And if the electric car generates it's own power it would use far less fuel and you would avoid the problems.

I still think fuel electric is the future.
Charge time is a few hours. If they have enough batteries at the station, it works out without anyone having to wait. Also, their charging stations are free- it is a part of their model. I think you have jumped to conclusions without learning about even the basics of their model- they've thought of a lot more than you seem to be giving them credit. A $25 billion+ market cap doesn't happen by magic.
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Charge time is a few hours.
fill up time is only a few minutes. Thus is the lid on the electric car.

Still think a fuel electric is more viable.
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fill up time is only a few minutes. Thus is the lid on the electric car.

Still think a fuel electric is more viable.
Did you just forget the whole part about replacing the batteries which is faster than fill up?

(not to mention the 250+ mile range on 1 charge)
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Did you just forget the whole part about replacing the batteries which is faster than fill up?
As long as they have them.

Did you forget about the past. that a fuel electric doesn't need that. Nothing would have to change at all?

Fuel electric is more viable. We would use gasoline or dieseld, no switching power cells no refitting anything. Just the vehicle changes.

Sorry. I don't think electric cars are the future unless they generate their own electricity.
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As long as they have them.
And what makes you think that a multi-billion dollar corporation can't figure out the simple logistics of that as a gas station figures out the logistics of having enough gas?

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Did you forget about the past. that a fuel electric doesn't need that. Nothing would have to change at all?

Fuel electric is more viable. We would use gasoline or dieseld, no switching power cells no refitting anything. Just the vehicle changes.

Sorry. I don't think electric cars are the future unless they generate their own electricity.
What are you defining as fuel electric here? And why is a car that uses gas that it does not produce viable to you but not an electric car that does not produce the electricity it uses?
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And what makes you think that a multi-billion dollar corporation can't figure out the simple logistics of that as a gas station figures out the logistics of having enough gas?
You can always carry a gas can.


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What are you defining as fuel electric here? And why is a car that uses gas that it does not produce viable to you but not an electric car that does not produce the electricity it uses?
Gas electric, diesel electric like a locomotive.

An electric car that doesn't produce it's own electricity is a slave to charge times.

Nothing has to change for a fuel electric car to exist. No stations have to keep batteries in hand and charging constantly burning through their electricity. No plugging in no nothing. Just put fuel in the car just like always. They would just use less of it.

What makes you think any body will buy an electric car for more than it's novelty?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 12:10 PM   #34
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You can always carry a gas can.




Gas electric, diesel electric like a locomotive.

An electric car that doesn't produce it's own electricity is a slave to charge times.

Nothing has to change for a fuel electric car to exist. No stations have to keep batteries in hand and charging constantly burning through their electricity. No plugging in no nothing. Just put fuel in the car just like always. They would just use less of it.

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So your argument against primarily seems to be due to the logistical barriers of running electric stations that could replace batteries as Tesla has already shown it can do. Companies today including Tesla (and including oil companies like Exxon) face far greater logistical barriers than that (for one, Exxon is lugging how much of the oil it sells from abroad?). I think the logistics people can handle it
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Quick clarification on one point- I was wrong about the battery swap being free- they are saying $60-80 per swap right now, with the regular charge being free. Also, I think you swap the same batteries, which addresses the issue of people swapping bad batteries for good ones.
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Quick clarification on one point- I was wrong about the battery swap being free- they are saying $60-80 per swap right now, with the regular charge being free. Also, I think you swap the same batteries, which addresses the issue of people swapping bad batteries for good ones.
I knew it couldn't be free.
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Forget both, go electric for the future! Tesla.
theres quite a few electric vehicles in hawaii and many businesses and hotels support with chargers.

i love the tesla.
is now a good time to buy stock in them?
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theres quite a few electric vehicles in hawaii and many businesses and hotels support with chargers.

i love the tesla.
is now a good time to buy stock in them?
They make perfect sense in Hawaii. You can't really drive very far.

The tesla is a very cool car. I saw the four for door model the other day. Very classy.
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I knew it couldn't be free.
Still cheaper than gas and my points still stand
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Old April 10th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #40
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theres quite a few electric vehicles in hawaii and many businesses and hotels support with chargers.

i love the tesla.
is now a good time to buy stock in them?
Depends on your outlook (not the answer you're looking for, I know ) - one of the big barriers right now seems to be all the silly car dealerships trying to get legislation through that blocks direct sales of cars from the manufacturer. When you can't beat em, legislate against them, I guess.
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