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Old April 10th, 2014, 12:39 PM   #41
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theres quite a few electric vehicles in hawaii and many businesses and hotels support with chargers.
They say "no man is an island", but Hawaii is one, so they can do a few things differently than the mainland.

Kind of like this guy:

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Old April 10th, 2014, 12:48 PM   #42
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Still cheaper than gas and my points still stand
Perhaps. Unless you have a car that gets more than 300 miles on 50 dollars worth of gasoline. My big truck gets about 60% of that. And I can drive it across the country without having to plug it in.

I think my point stands.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 12:53 PM   #43
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Perhaps. Unless you have a car that gets more than 300 miles on 50 dollars worth of gasoline. My big truck gets about 60% of that. And I can drive it across the country without having to plug it in.

I think my point stands.
Hardly (60% does not equal 100%, you still have to stop for gas like you have to stop for a battery [but more often] and there is still a free option with electric), but okay. We'll talk in ten years
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Hardly (60% does not equal 100%, you still have to stop for gas like you have to stop for a battery [but more often] and there is still a free option with electric), but okay. We'll talk in ten years
I can stop for gasoline anywhere and if this station doesn't have gasoline the next one will I can go get a gas can and put fuel in it if it stops on the road. I can't put electricity in a car that died on the road it has to be towed or that massive battery drug out there.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 01:47 PM   #45
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I can stop for gasoline anywhere and if this station doesn't have gasoline the next one will I can go get a gas can and put fuel in it if it stops on the road. I can't put electricity in a car that died on the road it has to be towed or that massive battery drug out there.
There are power outlets anywhere, more of them than gas stations actually. Also it isn't exactly fair to compare the infrastructure of an emerging tech vs. an established one. The point is this thing has enough advantages to support growth of that infrastructure at a cost that still makes it worth the switch. Furthermore, Tesla has a growth plan for charging stations that will mean the infrastructure will be accessible almost everywhere in the US in the next 10 or so years anyway if everything goes as they predict (it is actually available to the public on their site).
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There are power outlets anywhere, more of them than gas stations actually. Also it isn't exactly fair to compare the infrastructure of an emerging tech vs. an established one. The point is this thing has enough advantages to support growth of that infrastructure at a cost that still makes it worth the switch. Furthermore, Tesla has a growth plan for charging stations that will mean the infrastructure will be accessible almost everywhere in the US in the next 10 or so years anyway if everything goes as they predict (it is actually available to the public on their site).
Charge times kill it
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Old April 10th, 2014, 04:28 PM   #47
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Lol why did I forget that you like to forget points when it is convenient for you?

As I already explained many times, if the time is the issue, you buy the battery switch which is still cheaper than gas. If you have time or electricity is cheaper for you at home (especially if you have solar), then you wait. Both ways will still beat or at the worst tie gas for the majority of people and situations once those charging stations are within distance of most Americans.
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Lol why did I forget that you like to forget points when it is convenient for you?

As I already explained many times, if the time is the issue, you buy the battery switch which is still cheaper than gas. If you have time or electricity is cheaper for you at home (especially if you have solar), then you wait. Both ways will still beat or at the worst tie gas for the majority of people and situations once those charging stations are within distance of most Americans.
I didn't forget anything.

Not if the battery goes flat.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #49
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As I already explained many times, if the time is the issue, you buy the battery switch which is still cheaper than gas.
But probably takes WAY longer than fueling a gas tank.
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But probably takes WAY longer than fueling a gas tank.
Actually less - 90sec. They did a promo video comparing the time it took to fill up a typical suv or something vs. battery swap.
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But probably takes WAY longer than fueling a gas tank.
Swapping a battery in them seems like it would be quick. And it seems like a plausible solution. But I imagine if the demand of electricity goes up and the supply doesn't increase it would cause the price of electricity to sky rocket.
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Swapping a battery in them seems like it would be quick. And it seems like a plausible solution. But I imagine if the demand of electricity goes up and the supply doesn't increase it would cause the price of electricity to sky rocket.
The long-term trend with electricity will likely be down. Can't say the same for gas.

Solar is really making huge strides right now- some of the Tesla charging stations run on solar too.
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The long-term trend with electricity will likely be down. Can't say the same for gas.

Solar is really making huge strides right now- some of the Tesla charging stations run on solar too.
Tell that to the electric providers that just take more and more.

Basically put. I will believe it when I see it.
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Old April 11th, 2014, 05:42 AM   #54
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The long-term trend with electricity will likely be down. Can't say the same for gas.

Solar is really making huge strides right now- some of the Tesla charging stations run on solar too.
I think we'll see CNG powered cars (& trucks) in significant numbers before any other powering method is feasible/practical.

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I think we'll see CNG powered cars (& trucks) in significant numbers before any other powering method is feasible/practical.

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Loveland_FLEX_CNG_powered_bus.jpgG]
Not sure, natural gas is not exactly cheap.
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