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Old January 25th, 2016, 09:21 AM   #21
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Charles Manson claimed he didn't order the killing of all those people. Should we have taken him at his word too?

Your ideology is not determined by what you say you are. It's determined by your words and actions.
Okay then, name a single social issue (ignoring religion) that I've been liberal on. Name an economic issue I've been liberal on. You won't be able to. Why? Because I'm a secular social conservative and socialist.

No active posters here are liberal in name or action. You trying to use the label as a boogieman just makes you look politically illiterate.
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Old January 25th, 2016, 11:16 AM   #22
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I suggest you do as I have done and accept his opinions for what they are...pointless.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 08:54 AM   #23
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First of all, (and at times I don't know where to begin) the phrase secular social conservative is oxymoronic as hell. That's like saying a Christian Jew, or a peaceful pork chop eating Muslim. Idiotic.

Secondly, since the Port Huron Statement of the early Sixties, liberalism has morphed from the free market libertarianism of Ayn Rand and Ludwig Von Mises to the Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx.

The difference between socialism and communism is how the two philosophies are implemented. Socialism takes many generations. Communists shoot their way into power. Other than that, they are identical.

Bottom line, both socialism and liberalism are anti-capitalist and almost mirror images.

Bernie Sanders is a liberal. His liberal agenda is famous.
I love how you keep dodging questions with non-answers as if nobody notices. So I'll ask again, name a liberal position I've taken on social and economic issues. Go on, just 1. That shouldn't be so hard if I'm a libral.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 12:34 PM   #24
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Asked and answered.

You said SOCIALIST.

That makes you Hillary and Barak.
Still doging questions. Go on, just 1 example.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:15 PM   #25
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The example is where you called yourself a socialist.

Apparently you're about as bright as any other liberal, which ain't too bright.
Socialism is an economic model, independent of political ideology. What your sts to saying that being a capitalist makes YOU liberal. Try again.

Surely someone as liberal as me makes it easy for you to provide a single, solitary example. So on, I'm still waiting.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 05:32 PM   #26
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Asked and answered.
No, it wasn't. You trying to use an economic model to apply to politics isn't an example of me being a liberal, only that you don't know what words mean.

Stop deflecting, actually name a liberal policy position I've advocated. That shouldn't be hard if I was, as you say, a liberal.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 06:27 AM   #27
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Ideology is determined by the things you say and believe in. Socialism was a utopian dream decades before Karl Marx actually put numbers to it. His model has been the model of the class envy statist since the publishing of The Communist Manifesto.

Modern day liberalism only took the Marxist turn in the early Sixties during the Port Huron Statement. All the trappings of Marxism (minimum wages, government mandated work hours, welfare, anti-family policies, etc) wound up under the liberal label at that time. (Before then, liberalism meant laissez faire capitalism. Total free markets.)

The definition changed drastically. Now it fits your model to a T. Socialism IS liberalism.


I've never deflected at all. Once you identified yourself as a socialist, you became Barak Hussein O, Nazi Pelosi, Bernie the Bonehead, Chuck You Schumer, and other pointed head libs.

This thread subject is a perfect example of wrongheaded liberalism on your part. It is so typical. The concept of a government mandated basic wage. That is just arrogant beyond belief. Only a true totalitarian/liberal could fantasize about government deciding what is a fair wage to live on.
Stop deflecting with your McCarthyist BS and name a liberal position I've held. You can't, that's okay, just own up to it.
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Stop deflecting with your McCarthyist BS and name a liberal position I've held. You can't, that's okay, just own up to it.
As it seems his understanding of "Liberal" encompasses everything from socialism, Communism, Democracy, Republican, Capitalist, vegetables and dogs...etc. Pretty much everything said by everyone but himself can be construed as liberal.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 05:30 PM   #29
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First of all, you probably have no idea about who Tail Gunner Joe was or even which House of Congress he was a member.

THAT by itself qualifies you as a liberal, for the simple fact that ALL liberals bring up McCarthy when they lose an argument.

Next thing, you'll be campaigning for Sanders and refusing to be called a liberal.

(At some point, you just become pathetic.)
So tell me, what liberal positions have I advocated? If I'm a liberal it shouldn't be hard for you to give an example.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 05:53 PM   #30
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I've already given you a prime example and you ignored it.

THIS THREAD.

The subject matter of this thread.

This qualifies you to be part of the Hillary presidential campaign. Or the Sanders campaign.
No, you pointed to an economic model and called me a liberal. That's no different than me calling you a liberal for being a capitalist (a comparison that would make far more since considering the history of liberalism). No, I want you to name a liberal POLICY I've advocated.

You can't. I know you can't. Everyone (including yourself) knows you can't. Just own it already and stop looking like an idiot.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 06:07 AM   #31
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Now you're starting to sound like the RAIN MAN.
I take it by your reply that you have no actual reply?

This is very poor debate tactic and pretty much admits to failure.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 09:51 AM   #32
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For those of you who don't want to see a sequel to the motion picture "Rain Man" (which by the way did NOT star Matt Damon and Danny Devito), here's the answer that numbnuts doesn't want to recognize.

Basic Wage (the idea of GOVERNMENT deciding what people should be paid in order for them to live, regardless of whether they work or not) is a LIBERAL POLICY.

It's not a liberal idea, or a liberal concept.

IT'S A ****ING LIBERAL POLICY.

And the RAIN MAN created the thread.

That makes HIM a LIBERAL.

Period.

End of discussion.

(Now, he'll no double continue to demand that I give him an example, even after seeing THIS ****ING EXAMPLE MORE THAN THREE ****ING TIMES. I can't make it any simpler than that.)
Except the idea originates with libertarian capitalists...
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Old January 31st, 2016, 10:13 AM   #33
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I have answered that dumbass question at least three ****ing times. The fact that YOU DON'T ****ING LIKE THE ANSWER doesn't mean I didn't answer it.

GET A LIFE.
No you have not...you have stated your opinion:

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I've already given you a prime example and you ignored it.

THIS THREAD.

The subject matter of this thread.

This qualifies you to be part of the Hillary presidential campaign. Or the Sanders campaign.
Which runs counter to the general consensus on what being a Liberal entails. You were asked to provide specific examples to validate your accusations and instead of doing so repeat the accusations with more expletives....this is not productive debate and is rather annoying.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 08:24 AM   #34
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I provided the specific example THREE ****ING TIMES.
No, you equated an economic model with a political ideology in an attempt to use both terms as a boogeyman. You haven't once given an example of a liberal policy nor do you have any understanding of the topic of the thread.

I'll no longer be responding to any of your off topic ranting as I've grown bored of trolling you. Feel free to discuss the actual topic at hand, otherwise stay out of the thread.
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