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Old March 18th, 2010, 06:26 AM   #1
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Fall of the Republic

De jure, the USA is a federal democratic-republic, a federation of many republics with elements of democracy. De facto...

The federation failed over a century and a half ago with the defeat of the CSA by loyalist forces. An ironic situation considering President Lincoln was, at least according to rhetoric, a pro-self-determination socialist. The result of this failure was the establishment of an imperial gov't in the federal gov't's place.

The establishment of a De facto empire didn't mean the end of the democratic-republic, however. Indeed it only became more democratic as the years went by, most but not all, accepting the end of the federation.

This however didn't last. As the Cold War drew closer to it's final end, the USSR, despite the American propaganda, seemed on the point of 'victory' if you could call it that. The FBI, NSA and CIA began to make the KGB look docile as they rounded up dissidents, made files on just about everyone and authorized military actions against 'subversives', the most notable example being the massacre of student anti-war protesters. This was followed by increasingly authoritarian actions (though after the disaster that was Nixon, they became less overt) taken by the so-called 'Federal' Gov't and increasing corruption in line with deregulation of the economy.

The final blow to the Republic came when the 'Feds' amended Title 32 to strip the governors of their constitutional rights to raise state/commonwealth oriented militaries independently of the US as a whole (militias, state/national guard, Rangers, ect.). This prompted an immediate response by the governors of the most powerful military states (Texas and Florida leading the charge) and resulted in the amendment's quick demise. Still the imperial gov't made it's point, it no longer recognized the authority of the governors and would only take heed of their protests if they could show a united front.

The Republic is dead. The Constitution in shambles. Elections rigged by gerrymandering, outside influences and outright fraud. The democratic foundation of the Republic at long last joining the federation in the ash heap of history.

The 'Republic' still stands technically, this is true but then Nazi Germany was technically a democratic-republic. Technicalities (De jure) are meaningless if not backed up by facts and practicality (De facto).

So the question is this: Will the republic be restored to it's former glory or will the US remain under the rule of an empire? The answer to this question is critical and must come soon if the US is to survive. Currently the empire is still a republic but the fact is republicanism can't exist in the shadow of an empire and imperialism can't be sustained by ineffective bureaucrats. The American people must chose and must chose now or else the whole system will come crashing down.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:53 AM   #2
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The Republic is dead. The Constitution in shambles. Elections rigged by gerrymandering, outside influences and outright fraud. The democratic foundation of the Republic at long last joining the federation in the ash heap of history.
I agree. The Government has grown into an inflexible giant dinosaur that is taking up too much space, costing too much money to run and mostly spinning webs within webs. Power should be given back to the States, and most of the legislation scrapped. The US has the appearance of a Republic, but it is anything but. Government is mostly by elite politicians, the wealthy, the banks and insurance corporations. People have become so small and insignificant, they can hardly make a dent anymore. Meaningful change right from the top to the roots is critically needed. There are a number of people in the US who recognize this, however when they talk at Tea Parties or make public appeals and presentations, they are either regarded as rightists, unpatriotic or naive. None of the protests are regarded seriously by the Government. Representatives in the Congress and Senate have become frozen as well in this web of negotiations for votes, where focus has become more on negotiations for passing legislation than scrutiny of the content of the legislation.

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The 'Republic' still stands technically, this is true but then Nazi Germany was technically a democratic-republic. Technicalities (De jure) are meaningless if not backed up by facts and practicality (De facto).
I would not compare the present Government with Nazi Germany. The US political system doesn't allow for enough power in one person's hands to even get close to a Nazi Government.

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So the question is this: Will the republic be restored to it's former glory or will the US remain under the rule of an empire? The answer to this question is critical and must come soon if the US is to survive. Currently the empire is still a republic but the fact is republicanism can't exist in the shadow of an empire and imperialism can't be sustained by ineffective bureaucrats. The American people must chose and must chose now or else the whole system will come crashing down.
That is true. But maybe the system will have to crash first before people will really see the writing on the wall. Problem is that the only change that can legally be made is within the current Government. And the Government is the problem.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #3
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I would not compare the present Government with Nazi Germany. The US political system doesn't allow for enough power in one person's hands to even get close to a Nazi Government.
I wasn't saying America was going Nazi, I was making a point about how meaningless political terms like democracy and republic have become in this country.
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I wasn't saying America was going Nazi, I was making a point about how meaningless political terms like democracy and republic have become in this country.
OK David. I get it. You are right though. There is very little meaning to any of the political terms, one doesn't even really know what a liberal or a conservative is any more.
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