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Old March 19th, 2010, 05:10 AM   #1
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Obama cancels trip to Indonesia to work on Health Care Reform Bill

I wonder how many other activities have been cancelled by Obama so that he can work on the Healthcare Reform Bill. Surely there has to be a greater balance as this has to be getting to the point of negligence. The majority of the population have already let him know that the Reform Bill in its present form is too expensive, and the Bill too long-winding. It needs to be rewritten. Yet he still is campaigning for votes. Should the quality of the Health Care Reform Bill not be the focus instead? And what of all the other items on the President's Agenda that seem to have been pushed to the background?

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Barack Obama has cancelled a much-anticipated visit to Indonesia scheduled for next week, deciding to stay in Washington instead to prepare for a final push for an overhaul of the US healthcare system.
The March 21-26 tour, the US president's first foreign trip this year, included a visit to Australia, and was to deepen US ties in the Asia-Pacific region.

Announcing that the trip was off, Gibbs Robert Gibbs, a White House spokesman, told reporters on Thursday that Obama "greatly regrets the delay" and felt he had no other choice.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 07:09 AM   #2
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Well, it's nice that he stays back to deal with "domestic issues" - that ought to be worth a few points - but it should be concentrating on changing the bill to make it better, rather than just to get people to support it as it is.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 11:46 AM   #3
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Well, it's nice that he stays back to deal with "domestic issues" - that ought to be worth a few points - but it should be concentrating on changing the bill to make it better, rather than just to get people to support it as it is.
Or, even better would be if he focused on the more pressing issue, the issue that time and time again Americans have felt is most important right now: jobs and the economy.
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Or, even better would be if he focused on the more pressing issue, the issue that time and time again Americans have felt is most important right now: jobs and the economy.
The healthcare bill itself needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt properly, but there's no question the current system requires radical change.

Jobs are very important, yes. People need to be back in work with decent pay, if you want a healthy economy. What would you suggest to achieve this?
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The healthcare bill itself needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt properly, but there's no question the current system requires radical change.
Agree with the first part, the second depends on your definition of radical. A substantial change in outcome, yes.

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Jobs are very important, yes. People need to be back in work with decent pay, if you want a healthy economy. What would you suggest to achieve this?
How about instead of passing stimuli that is paid for by tax money and inflation, we cut taxes across the board? Cut some unneeded spending as well and things will start to look better already as confidence in the dollar would also rise.
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Agree with the first part, the second depends on your definition of radical. A substantial change in outcome, yes.


How about instead of passing stimuli that is paid for by tax money and inflation, we cut taxes across the board? Cut some unneeded spending as well and things will start to look better already as confidence in the dollar would also rise.
Cut taxes... When the gov't is bankrupt? I hate taxes as much as you do but they do have a reason for existence you know.

Rather then cutting taxes, they need to raise them and spend the money better.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 12:27 PM   #7
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Cut taxes... When the gov't is bankrupt? I hate taxes as much as you do but they do have a reason for existence you know.

Rather then cutting taxes, they need to raise them and spend the money better.
With some taxes, lowering the current rates will likely bring in more tax revenue- capital gains is a good example.

Besides, I am offering reducing taxes as an alternative to spending billions of dollars in "stimulus." At the end of the day, taxes will be more effective as there is no bureaucracy (in fact, you are cutting down on it, which further reduces costs) and it doesn't cause market distortion like the "stimuli."

I also mentioned cutting spending.
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Cut spending where?

There are some things that need to be slashed, some things that are simply ridiculous, but also some things that are really important to peoples' livelhoods.

And cut taxes for whom?

In the Bush years, i remember there were series of tax cuts all benefitting the rich, but the poor were having to pay more - they of course being the ones least able to do so.
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Cut spending where?

There are some things that need to be slashed, some things that are simply ridiculous, but also some things that are really important to peoples' livelhoods.
Slashing Government would be a good start. Starting from scratch, giving power back to the States, and scrapping most of the legislation and programmes associated with the legislation so that only the really needed ones are left. Ever State should decide on their own Medicare system, education, transportation etc. In a nutshell there is a major constitutional reform needed.
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Cut spending where?

There are some things that need to be slashed, some things that are simply ridiculous, but also some things that are really important to peoples' livelhoods.
There are still tons of stupid pet projects that Congressman have that cost us billions of dollars a year- all of that pork spending. On top of that we can cut down on our overseas budget including aid to other nations. More cuts can be made in subsidies, etc. There are tons of places where we can cut things without hurting most people.

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And cut taxes for whom?
How about everyone? Cut down the income tax and move towards abolishing it. I would also cut capital gains and corporate taxes as well.

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In the Bush years, i remember there were series of tax cuts all benefitting the rich, but the poor were having to pay more - they of course being the ones least able to do so.
They were not all for the rich though. For example, one of the major tax cuts was in capital gains. Furthermore, taxes on the rich- particularly on corporations tend to carry over to others (i.e. consumers) depending on the elasticity of the market, so a tax cut for the rich still isn't something horrible. I am for tax cuts for all- I don't discriminate based on how successful one is or isn't in terms of money made.
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There are still tons of stupid pet projects that Congressman have that cost us billions of dollars a year- all of that pork spending.
Agreed.

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On top of that we can cut down on our overseas budget including aid to other nations.
I'd say:

*Cut all military aid

*Abolish loans as a form of aid

*Abolish tied aid

But some aid is very important to the livelihoods of ordinary people.

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More cuts can be made in subsidies, etc. There are tons of places where we can cut things without hurting most people.
For example agribusiness. Yes.

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How about everyone? Cut down the income tax and move towards abolishing it. I would also cut capital gains and corporate taxes as well.
Personally, I'd make tax pretty progressive, and make sure the poor benefit. If revenue is radically cut, tax for the rich would stay the same or even decrease. Oh, and cut down on exemptions and fraud by big business.

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They were not all for the rich though. For example, one of the major tax cuts was in capital gains. Furthermore, taxes on the rich- particularly on corporations tend to carry over to others (i.e. consumers) depending on the elasticity of the market, so a tax cut for the rich still isn't something horrible.
I don't know about that, i just remember who pocketed the difference.

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I am for tax cuts for all- I don't discriminate based on how successful one is or isn't in terms of money made.
Aww, is that the little capitalism pretending it's meritocratic? Bless.
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On the subject of bloated gov't, D.C. should take a page from my state's book. Tallahassee is systematically going thru every law and striking from the books any law that is obsolete, irrelevant and/or unneeded. This costs nothing to do and saves money by abolishing 'dead' laws that are sucking money such as defunct committees.
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On the subject of bloated gov't, D.C. should take a page from my state's book. Tallahassee is systematically going thru every law and striking from the books any law that is obsolete, irrelevant and/or unneeded. This costs nothing to do and saves money by abolishing 'dead' laws that are sucking money such as defunct committees.
Wow! That sounds just on the number and exactly what they should be doing with the Federal laws. Especially the duplicate ones that aren't really necessary, and for which there is existing legislation in the States. Let the States handle it. We have the same example with the Health Reform Act, when there is a perfectly good example of a State, Massachusetts having established a system that provides health coverage for all. Why not get other States to try the model on a voluntary basis. If it can work for a few, it may be able to work for all, with no need for a Federal law for it. And with much less headaches.
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