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Old January 21st, 2009, 08:52 PM   #1
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Should local and state law enforcement be trained to check immigration status?

Currently only federal and some state/local agencies check criminals immigration status. I think we need to train all law enforcement to check when somebody is arrested. It is a simple matter of checking a computer database and can greatly reduce the work of ICE.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 09:00 AM   #2
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I totally agree with your views on this, it is always better to take minute steps towards safety when there is piece rather than taking extensive and hasty measures after the situation is out of control.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 03:58 AM   #3
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html This is how President Eisenhower handled illegal immmigration, Operation Wetbck. Cheap labor is a big business today, through the remittance program, Western Union, local banks and now even the Federal reserve is in on the action. An illegal immagrant can start a bank account in the U.S. or send money home through Western Union, no questions asked. Once the money arrives at the bank in Mexico they recieve the exchange rate, last I checked 11 Pesos to one USD. So, if a illegal makes $5.00 per Hour, he makes 55 Pesos if sent home. The Banks charge them a transfer fee somewhere between 10 and 20 dollars a transacton. If they work 12 hrs. a day, 6 days a week (which most do ) and send half that money home through the remittance program, that 5.00 an hr. don't seem so bad. Any monies sent into Mexico through the remittance program is counted as NDP by the IMF which measures the success of Nafta by mexico's NDP. Pretty sweet deal, no wonder they don't want to close the boarders. I say bring back Operation Wetback and clamp down on the people thats doing the hiring. BTW a factory worker in Mexico makes about .65 cents an hour.

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Old February 18th, 2009, 04:29 AM   #4
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http://www.judicialwatch.org/6058.shtml Here is a run down on Directo a Mexico. It's beyond local law enforcement.

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Old February 18th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #5
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The big problem is that they just come right back. Taking them deep into the country would also be a foreign relations nightmare. Can you imagine all the media stories about leaving immigrants far from their families with no way to return to their home in Mexico?

Law enforcement should still check though. If they are getting in trouble with the law, then they have absolutely no right to be here (as opposed to no normal right to be here).
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Old February 19th, 2009, 07:51 AM   #6
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The big problem is that they just come right back. Taking them deep into the country would also be a foreign relations nightmare. Can you imagine all the media stories about leaving immigrants far from their families with no way to return to their home in Mexico?

Law enforcement should still check though. If they are getting in trouble with the law, then they have absolutely no right to be here (as opposed to no normal right to be here).
They wouldn't come back if they had no chance of getting a job, most come here for work only, no intentions of gaining U.S. citizenship. If they are illegal, they have zero right to be here! They could find there way home just as they found there way across the boarder.
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The same problem goes back to your post though. Even if they just work one day a week, they are making more money than they would in Mexico (assuming they could get a factory job). As long as Mexico's economy is bad, they are going to try and get here.

There's also the ultimate question in the back of my mind, is it worth the cost? The only real reason would be the principle behind it. They aren't doing much economic damage and a major investigation of every business in the South would cost a lot of government money. Remember, they aren't just in the border states anymore. A lot of them manage to make it to the southeast and I know some even made it up to West Virginia. The curse of the highway system.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 12:36 AM   #8
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The same problem goes back to your post though. Even if they just work one day a week, they are making more money than they would in Mexico (assuming they could get a factory job). As long as Mexico's economy is bad, they are going to try and get here.

There's also the ultimate question in the back of my mind, is it worth the cost? The only real reason would be the principle behind it. They aren't doing much economic damage and a major investigation of every business in the South would cost a lot of government money. Remember, they aren't just in the border states anymore. A lot of them manage to make it to the southeast and I know some even made it up to West Virginia. The curse of the highway system.
I don't blame the workers, I would do the same if I had a chance to increase earnings six times over. And that can be done through the immigration system, legally. Someone thinks its worth the cost, we are building a friggin fence across the country. Latin Americans sent home $50 billion dollars in 2006 through the remittance program. In Mexico 20% of their GDP was from Remittance. Latin americans are every were, Phila., N.J., N.Y. Pa. the Mid west. In Phila. not only Latin America, Indonisia, Ireland, India, Vietnam, Greece ( I'm sure I'm leaving some out ) and the ones that are legal hold duel citizenship. Its just dosen't seem right to go into a pizza shop in South Phila. and order a pizza from a Vietnamese. The only relief we have is that our economy is in the dumps and that will send alot of the illegals back. The Government has always been lax on immigration, its time they did their job and enforce immigration policy.

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It's sad, but I tend to like seeing foreign workers at the fast food places. They tend to actually get my order right and do it fast. Much higher rate of error otherwise...which really doesn't make sense.

The big problem just comes in the money we lose enforcing said immigration policy. Penn & Teller beautifully demonstrated how useless the fence idea was, by hiring 10 "supposed" illegal immigrants. The men built the fence to the specified standards, and then rendered it completely useless in 5 minutes with about $20 worth of tools. A number of illegals are also not border crossers. They just don't go home when their visa expires. Just a bit of an ugly problem.

I personally would care more about the border control stopping the weapon smugglers and drug mules.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 12:19 PM   #10
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Law enforcement should still check though. If they are getting in trouble with the law, then they have absolutely no right to be here (as opposed to no normal right to be here).
Pretty much how I feel. I'm not for mass deportations or even checking the immigration status of witnesses and/or people who submit tips to the police. Not even for traffic stops.

For ALL felonies and for more violent misdemeanors, we should check and deport them.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #11
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http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dhs/endgame.pdf ENDGAME...is the Immigration and Customs (ICE) , Office of Detention and and Removal (DRO ) Multi year strategic enforcement plan to "Remove ALL removable aliens".

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Old March 4th, 2009, 03:00 AM   #12
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Ye I 100% agree on this to check immigraiton statues, I think the law enforcement should train them for more stuff not only some
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Old March 9th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #13
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I also agree that local law enforcement should be given more power on checking into illegal citizens, however I think that most of the power should go to an agency that is supposed to be keeping track of things. In theory these operations should work together (like the FBI and the Police ... ha) and if that's the case maybe we can get a bit more down. But I also agree with The Parakeet. We can send them back all we want, they just come back. Something stricter needs to happen in order to stop this problem.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #14
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Honestly, I think that any law enforcement official, no matter the class or branch, should check citizenship status. Yes, it is true that law enforcement agencies have their particular jurisdictions, but they should definitely confer with one another. More transparency allows for greater efficiency, and if everyone worked together to combat illegal immigration, then it probably wouldn't be such a problem within our country.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 12:19 AM   #15
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Immigration status

We would not need to check immigration status if the job of stopping the influx of illegal aliens was being done to begin with. It is an epic failure on a grand scale. American jobs are being taken by illegal immigrants who live a better life here working for peanuts than they can in their own country.

Solution? Stricter customs laws, more vigilante efforts to uphold these laws, and a solution to the root cause of the problem whatever it may be.

A hypothetical example laid out in textual explanation as best I can:
You have a bees nest, every time you go out to walk in your woods you get stung. You know where the bee's nest is but proper elimination and disposal of such takes some manpower. So you don't just eliminate the one bee, the only way to solve a continuous problem is to go after the multi-faceted source of the problem to begin with. You must find the entrance venues of the bees, the ideal conditions the bees have used to create the hive there to begin with, along with the hive itself, and take action.

All methods of thought must be considered in order to fully snub root causes of problems. If there is corruption within the system, and the bees serve a purpose to be there that benefits all, yet we are brainwashed to thoughtfully condemn them, then something is really wrong with the entire thing.

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The big problem is that the enforcement costs just aren't worth it. Most illegal immigrants are just people with guest worker visas who overstay their welcome. Hunting down each and every one wouldn't be anywhere near the expense.

The whole "taking jobs from Americans" thing is also overplayed. Very few of them have truly "taken" a job from Americans. It is usually a job doing something that no one else will do.

The key is to target the heart of the problem though. If we can help stimulate a more stable economy in Mexico, then immigration will taper off.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 11:54 AM   #17
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I'm not so sure whether this would be a good idea. I remember with the Communist Party member big pursuit earlier in the last decade, what a fiasco it turned into, people splitting on one another, and living fearfully. I would imagine that there would be an element of this when Mexicans are being pursued in American cities. Furthermore, US Immigration has never been of the most diplomatic anywhere, possibly they need to train their officers a little better first in dealing with the public. Their approach so far has been very confrontational, and I can imagine if local and state law enforcement get involved as well, it would lead to a great nightmare, not to mention the cost of it as well.

I really think the problem needs to be tackled at its roots, which is in Mexico itself. Perhaps more should be done to help the Government to create a more stable environment for its citizens including jobs and a safe place to live in.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 10:24 PM   #18
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Too Big Brother for me. Pretty soon we'll have chips imbedded under our skin so our whereabouts can be constantly monitored.
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