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Old June 28th, 2010, 06:01 AM   #1
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You Will Never Guess 3rd Leading Cause of Death in America

In an article, entitled, "MEDICALLY CAUSED DEATH IN AMERICA" by Jon Rappoport dated June 28, 2010 NewsWithViews.com, he states the third leading cause of death in this country is hospital, doctor and pharmaceutical related. Here is link to his article and an exerpt from same to substantiate this fact:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Rappoport/jon100.htm

"Every year in the US there are:

12,000 deaths from unnecessary surgeries;

7,000 deaths from medication errors in hospitals

20,000 deaths from other errors in hospitals;

80,000 deaths from infections acquired in hospitals;

106,000 deaths from FDA-approved correctly prescribed medicines.
The total of medically-caused deaths in the US every year is 225,000.

This makes the medical system the third leading cause of death in the US, behind heart disease and cancer."

Again these facts underline the necessity of removing profit as the No. 1 motivating factor governing our health care system.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 09:06 AM   #2
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This is really misleading considering anyone who is in a hospital is likely to be already sick or have some sort of ailment, so that fact that a lot of people die in hospitals isn't exactly something surprising. Furthermore, a lot of what you stated is just related due to human error and bacterial/infection spreads in hospitals, neither which is done on purpose, and really nothing with profit.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #3
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Again these facts underline the necessity of removing profit as the No. 1 motivating factor governing our health care system.
Agree fully. My mother's atun, my neighbor and a freinds husband all fall into these catergories. Its a huge problem. Its a really disgusting how this modern nation approaches tird world statics on health and ecucation.
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^ It's hard to believe someone's credibility in their posts when they can't even type a proper sentence...

Funny you don't mention how many lives are saved by medication and hospitals.

Just food for thought.
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I culdnt care less what you belive. .............................................
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Old June 28th, 2010, 05:42 PM   #6
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Agree fully. My mother's atun, my neighbor and a freinds husband all fall into these catergories. Its a huge problem. Its a really disgusting how this modern nation approaches tird world statics on health and ecucation.
The stats aren't near where third world countries are. In terms of quality, the United States time and time again ranks near the top if not number 1. Every single nation on this planet has problems with infections spreading within the hospital (since they are full of sick people), human error, and prescribed medications not working. Doctors and hospitals aren't supernatural, so error will always be there.
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Again these facts underline the necessity of removing profit as the No. 1 motivating factor governing our health care system.
It amazes me at how low the standards are for medications in the United States. The majority of United States drugs (both to humans and to animals) will NEVER see light in most other countries. An example of that would be rBST, a drug injected into cows to produce more milk while harming the health of the cow (however, I do applaud anyone who successfully fought back against grocery stores who ended rBST-milk sales). Having said all that, I second the agreement that profit should not be put over health, and the same can honestly be said in many other industries as well, American or non-American. As much as I find the United States is a great country to live in and to be around, the cultural differences compared to other places I've been to (such as China, Hong Kong, Japan, or even Canada, where I live) are phenomenally different.

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12,000 deaths from unnecessary surgeries;
It amazes me how many people want to get plastic surgery. Me personally, I find someone who wants to look "better" on the outside looks "worse" on the inside. In addition, plastic surgery wears down over time, thus deteriorating the outside as well. RIP Kanye West's mother.

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7,000 deaths from medication errors in hospitals

20,000 deaths from other errors in hospitals;

80,000 deaths from infections acquired in hospitals;
This stuff is less preventable. It really is a shame that viruses can really affect an entire hospital with just one person infected. My uncle contracted a superbug (bacteria resistant to antibiotics) when he was in the hospital after suffering a stroke. Thankfully he's only a carrier (or at least for now).

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106,000 deaths from FDA-approved correctly prescribed medicines.
The total of medically-caused deaths in the US every year is 225,000.
RIP Michael Jackson. I thought we were supposed to learn the lesson after Vioxx. It amazes me at how many deaths are preventable.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #8
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And for those who say profit should not be put above health: guess what, no matter what you say or do, the fact of the matter is that money does matter. Even in nations that have universal healthcare, money matters- just look at Europe and their current currency crisis. It is easy to say money shouldn't be put over health speaking as a utopian, but it is only when one realizes that a utopia is unrealistic that you can make significant process is improving the current system.

Besides without having profit linked to new advances in research and medicine, the medical market would still have been in the stone age. Scientists usually don't spend their entire careers trying to find a cure for anything unless it means they get some sort of payment from it- usually both monetary and in terms of exposure.
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The stats aren't near where third world countries are. In terms of quality, the United States time and time again ranks near the top if not number 1. Every single nation on this planet has problems with infections spreading within the hospital (since they are full of sick people), human error, and prescribed medications not working. Doctors and hospitals aren't supernatural, so error will always be there.
I can make a claim they arent and they are. But these are real numbers yes, so....

They were not talking about sick people. They were talking about unneeded surgery and poor medical treatment. There is no exucse nor justification for the poor healthcare in the USA.

Regardless of some strangers calling me a liar. I have seen this first hand. its dispicable.

Money only matter to the greedy and inhumane. For profit healthcare will always be poor healthcare. No matter what diatribes you put out about "they way of the world" its unforgivable to shrug off so many needlesly dying.
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They were not talking about sick people. They were talking about unneeded surgery and poor medical treatment. There is no exucse nor justification for the poor healthcare in the USA.

Regardless of some strangers calling me a liar. I have seen this first hand. its dispicable.
No one is forced to get surgery. A lot of those unneeded surgeries are also cosmetic or asked for by the patients. Are you saying we should just tell them no to wanting plastic surgery or whatever it is? It is their choice to do what they want with their bodies and they all fully know the risks before they undergo such a surgery as there are many forms and liability-waivers they have to sign.
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No one is forced to get surgery.
thats patnely false. This stuff hapeens its reality no matter how you want to bury your head in the sand. its purly greed and total disregard for human life.

It has nothing to do with a chin tuck
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thats patnely false. This stuff hapeens its reality no matter how you want to bury your head in the sand. its purly greed and total disregard for human life.

It has nothing to do with a chin tuck
When over 90.000 people get voluntary cosmetic surgery in this country every year, I think I have a pretty strong case as well. If you just want to throw aside the fact I have just given you, so be it, but don't say that you've considered the scope of the market before making these sorts of accusations.
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Comemtic surgery is not part of the issue. Thats a cheap ecuse for overlooking destroyed familys who lose loved ones due to greed.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 06:12 PM   #14
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Comemtic surgery is not part of the issue. Thats a cheap ecuse for overlooking destroyed familys who lose loved ones due to greed.
Can you explain to me how you are blaming this on greed? You listed stats of how people died in surgeries and treatments, but that does not necessarily have anything to do with greed. Mistakes can happen from good intentions, you know.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 06:16 PM   #15
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Heathcare is based on money, heathcre is denied because of money, its all greed.

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Of course peope are forced to get surgery. You can pin this on Chin tucks. Thats just not the reality. People die from incomptenet greed motivated healthcare daily.
Do you have examples of this or perhaps a scientific case study or something? You can't just say something is true and expect people to believe it. There is no doubt that people die from surgeries, but everyone knows the risk is there going into the surgery. It is all about judging the risks of living with something vs. the risk of surgery. Furthermore, no one is literally forced to have surgery- patients have to sign many forms before even the prep work for surgery starts.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37881314...an_antonio_tx/

Note: this site is poorly laid out and hard to read. youll need to look hard for the content.
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Do you have examples of this or perhaps a scientific case study or something? You can't just say something is true and expect people to believe it. There is no doubt that people die from surgeries, but everyone knows the risk is there going into the surgery. It is all about judging the risks of living with something vs. the risk of surgery. Furthermore, no one is literally forced to have surgery- patients have to sign many forms before even the prep work for surgery starts.
Peopela are indeed forced to have surgery. Wheres the proof its not at 3rd world medical level. The op showed how many there are. Far to many for this country. It continues cause greed and cold lack of humanity allows it to continue.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37881314...an_antonio_tx/

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That article does not back up what you are saying. First off, it has NOTHING to do with surgery. Second, Haven for Hope is a non-profit. Third, Haven for Hope is for homeless patients, which is why they were dropped off at a shelter afterwards.

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Peopela are indeed forced to have surgery. Wheres the proof its not at 3rd world medical level. The op showed how many there are. Far to many for this country. It continues cause greed and cold lack of humanity allows it to continue.
The OP does not show that people were forced to have surgery- it only bullet lists how many people die from surgeries, medical treatments, etc. according to the source. It has nothing about money there. Also, if you are comparing those statistics to other countries, you need to look at them per surgeries performed as well as per total population. Since the United States has the 3rd largest world population, obviously more people might die from surgeries here than in some country with say a tenth of the population or less. There are more people living here and more people getting surgeries, so of course more people would also die from them due to complications.
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You are at the mercy of a medical system. They say you need srgery your going to get it. Its being forced on you. Your not going to aly ill or let yourself die. it will only be afterwords youll find out it was not the only option. That happens allot. Not everybody dies.

The dumping of homeless is just further example if lack of humanity due to greed of the medical industry.
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