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Old February 5th, 2009, 06:16 AM   #1
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How to win the war on terror

How do we stop terrorism? Lots of my buddies on the left seem to want to invite them for crumpets and tea over dinner. That is NOT how we fight terror. We need a military solution to this problem. If we do nothing now, in a decade, we will be like Israel. Nobody wants to have us being attacked on a daily basis, having to have air raid sirens every day.
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The problem comes in the form of the hydra. Anytime we attack them, more heads usually just spring up.

I don't really think a military solution is feasible, since there aren't many huge pockets of them left. The counter-terrorism department is on top of it usually. They've been fairly active with a lot of cloak and dagger stuff to take out active cells. Their list of stopped terrorist actions they release is usually pretty impressive.

The main problem comes from the teachers of radical Islam that breed a new generation of terrorists. There's no military solution to that. Any military solution would just cause more angry amongst those on the fence.

This is particularly true for Pakistan. We really need to stop throwing our weight around on the border. Support for the anti-US factions in the government has been growing due to our aggressive stance. There's no real reason for it either, since Pakistan is at least trying to take care of their own problems. We need to respect that and only give help when asked.
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This is one thing I actually agree with you on, democracynow. We need to stay there or they will continue their scheming and attacks on the innocent.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 01:10 PM   #4
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How do we stop terrorism? Lots of my buddies on the left seem to want to invite them for crumpets and tea over dinner. That is NOT how we fight terror. We need a military solution to this problem. If we do nothing now, in a decade, we will be like Israel. Nobody wants to have us being attacked on a daily basis, having to have air raid sirens every day.
Have you ever even served a day in the military? It's funny how you want others to go out and die for you.

I have said multiple times, there is a balance and you have to find it. You don't just go rambo on every single enemy. You can't make enemies faster than you kill them and still expect to win a war.
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The other thing that jumped into my mind was, where should we go? There really isn't anywhere that needs the Afghanistan treatment (except for Afghanistan...need to finish that up obviously).

Iraq is more a case of an anti-American insurgency and there's not much we can do about that. The Iraqi people have to continue their current trend and fully reject the insurgents. They've done a good job before and their police forces are trying to step up. Throwing the military around just undermines their authority and sovereignty.
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I feel that the troops should instead be combating the genocide that's occurring over in Darfur, those people need and want help YET hardly get anything.

The U.S. should be focused on helping those groups in distress, not trying to win the wars of others for self-interest, as obviously they want more than just bringing peace there and getting rid of terrorism..
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Yeah. That's probably where we could do the most good. There was some talk of us trying to give some logistical support to South Africa and their efforts in the region, but I don't know if anything came out of that.

It's a travesty that the UN hasn't done anything for Darfur.
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No the true problem is not only from the teaching of radical islam but also from our foreign policy. Our forign policy is contrary to what a democratic state is supposed to represent. A democratic state isnt supposed to rob other countries of their resources and give them pennies to the dollar as we did to iran during the mossadegh era (we ripped them off and also treated the iranian worker like slaves). It seems like parakeet is living in a dream world.

I urge you folks the next time you get a chance to talk to an educated iranian student who is in America to study. Ask that student about the mossadegh era, ask them how they lost democracy and how these mullahs came into power.

study the cia's definition of what blowback means.

You will never know the truth from the christian science monitor or fox news as these are not unbiased resoruces.
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LOL.

You still haven't checked out CSmonitor.com. THEY AREN'T CONSERVATIVE. It's actually weird. A number of other skeptics and atheists I know find it funny that they are actually a really interesting online paper (haven't ever read the printed version).

They barely do religious articles and have little to no opinion in their pieces. Read a few articles. It's seriously just embarrassing at this point. They are also a good source for international news and have some very interesting international pieces (A cool one the other day covered the development of the technological district in China). You're probably right though. I'm just a big idiot. I disagree with you, so I must listen to Rush Limbaugh with one ear and Fox News with the other. Just look at how biased the CSMonitor is in this article about Israel http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0210/p01s02-wome.html (Sarcasm...the news is also a little worrisome...last thing we need is more war hawks in power on either side)

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I think I also have official proof that you don't read my posts. I said that I don't support a military intervention because it only leads to temporary success while poisoning future generations against the West. How does that even remotely match up with your claim that I'm living in a dream world?

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No the true problem is not only from the teaching of radical islam but also from our foreign policy. Our forign policy is contrary to what a democratic state is supposed to represent. A democratic state isnt supposed to rob other countries of their resources and give them pennies to the dollar as we did to iran during the mossadegh era (we ripped them off and also treated the iranian worker like slaves). It seems like parakeet is living in a dream world.
[Sarcasm on] Well, we were trying to be the best capitalist country in the world to teach them commies a lesson. Could you have thought of a better way? [Sarcasm off]

Finally...WE GET IT. You've been talking about bloody Iran for how long now? We installed a jerk as a leader so that the US and the UK could have a guaranteed source of good oil during turbulent times. He wiped out the good guys and paved the way for the religious revolution. No one is arguing against that. I've never seen it represented as anything else (except by people who honestly didn't know about it). Not even sure about what your point was? Bringing up 50 year old foreign policy is not helpful.

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Old February 10th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #10
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LOL, there is no such thing as terrorism. They've scared the majority of the American public into thinking terrorism is soooooo bad. Do you know more Americans die from heart problems than terrorist attacks every year? Do you know it is all arranged in underground bases? It is pathetic how people think they're safe when police are around yet all it is doing is bringing a police state closer than we know.
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Yes...that's obviously so true. Murder isn't a problem either by your standards. An older television show explained it well once. There is statistical safety and analog safety.

It's is statistically unlikely that I'll be murdered, but I still like to have the police around.

I'm getting so sick of this bull about becoming a police state. We are not a police state. We are not even close to a police state. We just had an election that completely changed most of the policies of the country. How is that a police state? (Unless you're one of the crazies who think that Obama is an NWO agent.
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The point people in favor of military solution are missing is that 'we must take the civilians on our side', but unfortunately the current startegy employed by US and NATO is killing more civlians, resulting in more recruitments for Taliban.

We like it or not, the only solution is dialogue and development. All the suicide bombers act so coz they got nothing to lose, no property, no work. If economic conditions are improved, terrorism will obiliterate itself!
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:12 AM   #13
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Gotta agree with you on this one. If America did more to help improve the economic status of nations faced with terrorism, the problem would eventually subside. Terrorism, for many involved, is how they provide for their families. It's sad that it has reached that extreme, but it's true.
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Gotta agree with you on this one. If America did more to help improve the economic status of nations faced with terrorism, the problem would eventually subside. Terrorism, for many involved, is how they provide for their families. It's sad that it has reached that extreme, but it's true.
The thing is that it is not America's job to provide for these countries and their people. These countries should put good policies into place that lead to prosperity for their people- they can't count on America for everything because we have our own people to take care of and by helping other countries the government is essentially using our money to help you.
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Terrorism is just like a religion. There are those who a brought up with certain values and beilefs hammered into them day after day and of course they are going to grow up being terrorists.
The sad but is who funds terrorism and who makes money from it. The only way to win is to have no army, no navy, no airforce and just declare world peace. People eventually follow good people, they jus need someone to set an example, JFK tried, he was killed, Jon Lennon tried, he was killed, wel I'm sure you get the picture by now...
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Brightmind - The other problem is that we physically have trouble helping these countries. Boosting an economy isn't that easy. This is a problem that we've done a lot of research trying to fix, especially when developing economies in Africa.

Everything has to be done gradually and within their system. I personally like what micro finance has to offer. It gives out little loans to local developing businesses so that they can grow and employ more people.

There's also a bit of an overkill problem when fixing these things. If we just dump aid on them, then we will cause terrible inflation and damage the existing economy. This kind of work involves walking on a razor's edge.
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The problem comes in the form of the hydra. Anytime we attack them, more heads usually just spring up.

I don't really think a military solution is feasible, since there aren't many huge pockets of them left. The counter-terrorism department is on top of it usually. They've been fairly active with a lot of cloak and dagger stuff to take out active cells. Their list of stopped terrorist actions they release is usually pretty impressive.

The main problem comes from the teachers of radical Islam that breed a new generation of terrorists. There's no military solution to that. Any military solution would just cause more angry amongst those on the fence.

This is particularly true for Pakistan. We really need to stop throwing our weight around on the border. Support for the anti-US factions in the government has been growing due to our aggressive stance. There's no real reason for it either, since Pakistan is at least trying to take care of their own problems. We need to respect that and only give help when asked.
I agree completely. Terrorism can only be fought with counter-terrorism. Military is too big and one needs small and super anti-terrorism trained units to act fast and to move fast. Including making very quick decisions for moving in with the least amount of fuss. Terrorism usually comes with surprise attacks, and counter-terrorism units are usually better equipped to retaliate than military.
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I was going to make a post about this, but I agree with everything Parakeet said, so I don't think I have anything else to add. lol
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Didnt we give blankets to the American Indians back in the days that were filled with deadly basteria? Isnt this a form or terrorism? Opps, sorry about that.

terrorism can only be fought by openess , honesty and knowledge. First off an appology to teh iranian people for destroying democracy in their country. Next , no more covert operations for selfish power, controlling the governments of third world nations since ww2, bringing the troops home asap from places we dont need them. If we do this, Al quaeda will be so ticked off because no one will want to join them anymore. In other words they will be screwed and we wont even need to lift a finger on them to crush them.

MYP I 100% agree with you that its not our job to help these 3rd world nations, but we all know that our government hasnt been helping these nations out of the kindness of their hearts. Take the Shah of iran for instance. He was one of the most brutal dictators Iran ever had and while we supplies him with weapons and trained his brutal secret police force the Iranian people suffered immensely. Many were jailed, tortured, raped and killed by this gestapo police force that we helped to train and fund.

If we had done absolutely nothing with Iran imagine the democracy it would have become today, and this do nothing policy wouldnt have cost our government a dime.

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Didnt we give blankets to the American Indians back in the days that were filled with deadly basteria? Isnt this a form or terrorism? Opps, sorry about that.
I'm glad you understand the history of the United States from a 4th grade standpoint.

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terrorism can only be fought by openess , honesty and knowledge.
So crashing airplanes into the World Trade Center would be defined as "openess", honesty, and knowledge?

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First off an appology to teh iranian people for destroying democracy in their country.
And here we go with the idiocy...

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If we do this, Al quaeda will be so ticked off because no one will want to join them anymore. In other words they will be screwed and we wont even need to lift a finger on them to crush them.
Nobody will want to join them because we don't have troops fighting them? Please don't tell me your a United States citizen.

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MYP I 100% agree with you that its not our job to help these 3rd world nations
We don't need to help out countries that have no value or threat to us. However, some "third world countries" have long range nuclear capabilities... You could just look the other way and say it's not my problem until you have a bunch of angry countries with weapons pointed at you.

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but we all know that our government hasnt been helping these nations out of the kindness of their hearts.
Since I don't find you to be an intelligent person to begin with, watch the movie Black Hawk Down. If you don't understand what the movie is about, read a movie summary. Come back when your homework is complete. Oh, and the Peace Corps and UN are mythical dragons and goblins.
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