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Old October 8th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #1
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California Gov. Brown signs state "dream act"

This will give illegal aliens in-state tuition and eligibility for education aid from california taxpayers. US citizens from other states will continue to pay unbelievably high out-of-state tuition, as will foreign students legally here on education visas. This in a state with one of the highest total tax rates in the nation, a 12% unemployment rate, and tens of billions of dollars in state debt. Ah, but nothing is too good for the illegals.
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This will give illegal aliens in-state tuition and eligibility for education aid from california taxpayers. US citizens from other states will continue to pay unbelievably high out-of-state tuition, as will foreign students legally here on education visas. This in a state with one of the highest total tax rates in the nation, a 12% unemployment rate, and tens of billions of dollars in state debt. Ah, but nothing is too good for the illegals.
Make immigration easy and send them to repopulate the Midwest, 2 of our nations top 3 domestic issues solved in 1 go.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:47 AM   #3
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Make immigration easy and send them to repopulate the Midwest, 2 of our nations top 3 domestic issues solved in 1 go.
The Midwest has plenty of population thank you sir.

But Florida could use a few more.
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The Midwest has plenty of population thank you sir.

But Florida could use a few more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_flight
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That does not mean they need more people. We don't need to live all jammed up like rats in a nest. I am surprised the "green" gang is not fighting the bringing more people here BS. After all more people means more farting and other "global warming" in this country.
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That does not mean they need more people. We don't need to live all jammed up like rats in a nest. I am surprised the "green" gang is not fighting the bringing more people here BS. After all more people means more farting and other "global warming" in this country.
They don't fight it because warmists are the same sort of people who support the whole leftwing agenda, and they know they can succeed with everything if they get 20 million more votes from naturalized illegal alien invaders.
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They don't fight it because warmists are the same sort of people who support the whole leftwing agenda, and they know they can succeed with everything if they get 20 million more votes from naturalized illegal alien invaders.
That's a contradiction.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 09:14 PM   #8
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Make immigration easy and send them to repopulate the Midwest, 2 of our nations top 3 domestic issues solved in 1 go.
I know you don't think intellectual honesty is important in debating Patrick, but please stop making up stuff. "Repopulating" the midwest (whatever that even means) is a top 3 domestic issue?
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I know you don't think intellectual honesty is important in debating Patrick, but please stop making up stuff. "Repopulating" the midwest (whatever that even means) is a top 3 domestic issue?
The tax base in Midwestern states (and even in the SE to a far lesser extent) is collapsing. Entire towns and cities are being abandoned, farms are failing and the local gov'ts that haven't fallen apart yet are giving away land for cheep and even free to entice people to move back. It's not something in the news because this is happening to low-population, electorally irrelevant places but it's a serious issue if you care about the Midwest and reasonable food prices (the factory farms filling up the void grow cash crops, not foodstuffs). So no, 'I'm not making stuff up', I'm just aware of situations and issues Fox, MSN and CNN tend to ignore due to low ratings (at least CNN covers the slavery issue but even that is something you have to hunt for on their website).
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The tax base in Midwestern states (and even in the SE to a far lesser extent) is collapsing. Entire towns and cities are being abandoned, farms are failing and the local gov'ts that haven't fallen apart yet are giving away land for cheep and even free to entice people to move back. It's not something in the news because this is happening to low-population, electorally irrelevant places but it's a serious issue if you care about the Midwest and reasonable food prices (the factory farms filling up the void grow cash crops, not foodstuffs). So no, 'I'm not making stuff up', I'm just aware of situations and issues Fox, MSN and CNN tend to ignore due to low ratings (at least CNN covers the slavery issue but even that is something you have to hunt for on their website).
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The tax base in Midwestern states (and even in the SE to a far lesser extent) is collapsing. Entire towns and cities are being abandoned, farms are failing and the local gov'ts that haven't fallen apart yet are giving away land for cheep and even free to entice people to move back. It's not something in the news because this is happening to low-population, electorally irrelevant places but it's a serious issue if you care about the Midwest and reasonable food prices (the factory farms filling up the void grow cash crops, not foodstuffs). So no, 'I'm not making stuff up', I'm just aware of situations and issues Fox, MSN and CNN tend to ignore due to low ratings (at least CNN covers the slavery issue but even that is something you have to hunt for on their website).
Your idea is idiotic - farmland prices are at record highs, nobody is going to give it away free.



Also, characterizing the midwest as electorally irrelevent is more stupidity - it has strong electoral states like ohio, pennsylvania, and illinois.
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The Midwest has plenty of population thank you sir.

But Florida could use a few more.
I agree. All these conservative idiots like Rush, Oreilly, Hannity should be sent to live in Midwest and given a separate country status and should not be allowed to benefit from the inventions of liberal state like California. No iPhone etc. and eat corns and do farming.....
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That says nothing about farms. It is also not a problem. The LOCAL tax base is shrinking because people are moving away- most likely to other places in the US. Not really a major problem except for those who might have over-projected taxes and over-spent as a result. That was just bad financial forecasting- happens all the time. Should people not be able to move freely as they choose? Should we have stopped Americans from moving to the west in 1849?
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That says nothing about farms. It is also not a problem. The LOCAL tax base is shrinking because people are moving away- most likely to other places in the US. Not really a major problem except for those who might have over-projected taxes and over-spent as a result. That was just bad financial forecasting- happens all the time. Should people not be able to move freely as they choose? Should we have stopped Americans from moving to the west in 1849?
You do realized I never said anything about farms (aside from explaining why people were leaving), right?
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You do realized I never said anything about farms (aside from explaining why people were leaving), right?
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Entire towns and cities are being abandoned, farms are failing and the local gov'ts that haven't fallen apart yet are giving away land for cheep and even free to entice people to move back. It's not something in the news because this is happening to low-population, electorally irrelevant places but it's a serious issue if you care about the Midwest and reasonable food prices (the factory farms filling up the void grow cash crops, not foodstuffs).
Also you still haven't explained why this is a problem let alone a top 3 domestic issue.
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Also you still haven't explained why this is a problem let alone a top 3 domestic issue.
You deny small farms are failing? And how is entire states being depopulate not an issue, do you want the Midwest to be dominated by factory farms with state gov'ts broke for lack of taxes? Food prices keep going up while wages keep going down, how long do you think that can last before something snaps?
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You deny small farms are failing?
Do you have a source for that? Either way, if food production isn't impacted, it might not be a bad thing.

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And how is entire states being depopulate not an issue, do you want the Midwest to be dominated by factory farms with state gov'ts broke for lack of taxes?
If they overspent, then yes. That is how our financial system works and bankruptcy is a clearing mechanism that allows governments and markets to rebound. Using it should not be feared. Also, remember that most of those people are just moving elsewhere in the US where you will in turn have increased tax bases in those other areas.

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Food prices keep going up while wages keep going down, how long do you think that can last before something snaps?
I am not sure how you are tying that into this. Do you really think food prices are going up because of this midwest "problem"? It might have some impact on it sure, but again do you have numbers?

As for wages going down and food prices up, there are many more things at play there then just this. Remember that wages tend to be sticky downwards also, so drops in average wages are probably significantly due to new jobs and with the surplus of workers, it isn't surprising. Of course you also have the monetary impact there as well.
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