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Old December 25th, 2011, 07:58 PM   #1
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Another CA favor for illegal alien invaders

Now, unlicensed drivers at sobriety checkpoints will no longer have their cars impounded in california. Sympathy for unlicensed US citizens? No, along with the "Dream Act", free education, and free health care at the ER, the law was passed by democrat legislators motivated to give free unlicensed driving for invaders.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 04:53 AM   #2
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Now, unlicensed drivers at sobriety checkpoints will no longer have their cars impounded in california. Sympathy for unlicensed US citizens? No, along with the "Dream Act", free education, and free health care at the ER, the law was passed by democrat legislators motivated to give free unlicensed driving for invaders.
At least CA invaders understand what they did 200 years ago and are considerate to other invaders who perform menial jobs which others will not do.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 08:43 AM   #3
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At least CA invaders understand what they did 200 years ago and are considerate to other invaders who perform menial jobs which others will not do.
Nervy words from an islamofascist invader, and americans will do the jobs, but not at black market labor wages.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 11:10 AM   #4
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americans will do the jobs, but not at black market labor wages.
Still using that line? Seriously, what economic theory do you subscribe to? The productivity from jobs below the marginal gain in productivity that is equal to or less than the requested wage will simply be lost and no one will be hired, American or not, at that high of a wage. On a side note, do you support the minimum wage law because you sure seem to think there is a problem with "black market" wages (despite them usually being completely voluntary on both sides).
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Still using that line? Seriously, what economic theory do you subscribe to? The productivity from jobs below the marginal gain in productivity that is equal to or less than the requested wage will simply be lost and no one will be hired, American or not, at that high of a wage. On a side note, do you support the minimum wage law because you sure seem to think there is a problem with "black market" wages (despite them usually being completely voluntary on both sides).
Your crackpot notion that NOBODY would be hired, rather than that fewer will be hired at a higher wage (or humans will be replaced by automation) is something I've never heard ANYWHERE ELSE. If what you say is true, every time the UAW got a wage increase, all the auto plants would close.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 08:04 PM   #6
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Your crackpot notion that NOBODY would be hired, rather than that fewer will be hired at a higher wage (or humans will be replaced by automation) is something I've never heard ANYWHERE ELSE. If what you say is true, every time the UAW got a wage increase, all the auto plants would close.
Um, I never said no one would be hired, but that less would be hired. What I did say is that no one will be hired in addition when that additional wage is higher than the marginal gain.
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Um, I never said no one would be hired, but that less would be hired. What I did say is that no one will be hired in addition when that additional wage is higher than the marginal gain.
Listen carefully now: 1000 invaders picking apples in washington state are booted out of the country. The apple growers have a choice: let the apples rot in the orchard, or raise wages until someone takes the job. Not wanting to go out of business, they do the latter. The invaders are replaced by 700 previously-unemployed Americans at a higher wage. Consumers, no longer buying black market apples, pay more. They pay more, because they prefer not to starve to death.
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Listen carefully now: 1000 invaders picking apples in washington state are booted out of the country. The apple growers have a choice: let the apples rot in the orchard, or raise wages until someone takes the job. Not wanting to go out of business, they do the latter. The invaders are replaced by 700 Americans at a higher wage. Consumers, no longer buying black market apples, pay more. They pay more, because they prefer not to starve to death.
Exactly. You lose the apples produced from the other 300 workers and you lose the benefits of reduced prices for consumers. You also lose the benefit of the 1000 workers spending in the economy vs. 700 workers- all spending which helps the economy grow so the other 700 or 1000 people respectively have a better chance to get a job.
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Exactly. You lose the apples produced from the other 300 workers and you lose the benefits of reduced prices for consumers. You also lose the benefit of the 1000 workers spending in the economy vs. 700 workers- all spending which helps the economy grow so the other 700 or 1000 people respectively have a better chance to get a job.
You gain employment for 700 AMERICANS. You gain the benefit of a country where the rule of law means something. Why not give up on enforcing the laws against receiving stolen property? Then TV sets would be cheaper. By enforcing the law, we lose the "benefit" of cheap TV sets. You end the drain on the economy of free health services for illegals, the end of crime by illegals, the massive drain on social services to illegals, the drag on society of importation of hordes of low-IQ illiterates, the future permanent leftwing rule of the economy, the balkanization of the country, on and on and on............
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Also, the 700 better paid Americans spend proportionately more because they're better paid, so the effect on the economy is a wash compared to the 1000 illegals.
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You gain employment for 700 AMERICANS. You gain the benefit of a country where the rule of law means something. Why not give up on enforcing the laws against receiving stolen property? Then TV sets would be cheaper. By enforcing the law, we lose the "benefit" of cheap TV sets. You end the drain on the economy of free health services for illegals, the end of crime by illegals, the massive drain on social services to illegals, the drag on society of importation of hordes of low-IQ illiterates, the future permanent leftwing rule of the economy, the balkanization of the country, on and on and on............
The illegal immigrants arguably provide a net benefit even given the entitlements they use and almost unarguably cost a little at worst. That has been established, but to you everything is a conspiracy including somehow the entire UC system. Can't help you there.

Even with a minor loss, it is undeniable the actual work provides a benefit, so if you have a problem with entitlements reform that. You don't look at the high cost of healthcare and suggest abolishing healthcare altogether, do you? But again, to you we are all part of a massive conspiracy, so I can't help you there.
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Also, the 700 better paid Americans spend proportionately more because they're better paid, so the effect on the economy is a wash compared to the 1000 illegals.
Um, who do you think pays them? If the 700 are better paid, the guy paying (the American who owns the farm) has less in his pocket to spend. And vice-versa With 1000 workers you have greater production which is really the separating factor. And no it's not like thievery because no one is hurt in this situation and it doesn't go against the harm principle.
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The illegal immigrants arguably provide a net benefit even given the entitlements they use and almost unarguably cost a little at worst. That has been established, but to you everything is a conspiracy including somehow the entire UC system. Can't help you there.
Either you are unbelievably ignorant of the decades long utter bias in favor of the invasion by UC, or you're just ducking the issue, probably both. If you're ducking, I don't blame you.

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Even with a minor loss, it is undeniable the actual work provides a benefit, so if you have a problem with entitlements reform that. You don't look at the high cost of healthcare and suggest abolishing healthcare altogether, do you? But again, to you we are all part of a massive conspiracy, so I can't help you there.
Wow - why did you suddenly start that issue? Did you forget what thread you're in?
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Either you are unbelievably ignorant of the decades long utter bias in favor of the invasion by UC, or you're just ducking the issue, probably both. If you're ducking, I don't blame you.
Well that's utter nonsense, but UC isn't the only one. It's not even the only one I gave you. But I know you'll keep shouting your nonsense anyway, so no use continuing on with this unless you decide to be intellectually honest or logical for once.
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Well that's utter nonsense, but UC isn't the only one. It's not even the only one I gave you. But I know you'll keep shouting your nonsense anyway, so no use continuing on with this unless you decide to be intellectually honest or logical for once.
Ya got no credible facts or agruments, so ducking out seems to be the last option.
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There is no greater proof that illegal aliens, and even 'legal' aliens are a drain on a nation's treasury than Canada. We should, by all rights, be by far the wealthiest nation on earth. Alas, we have social programs for immigrants who should not be allowed into the country in the first place. These are people who do not pay taxes, thus placing crushing responsibilities onto the shoulders of taxpaying Canadians. It is one reason why our taxes are amongst the highest on earth. Get rid of these immigrants, and watch our economy take off. Our economy is one of the best in the world IN SPITE of the immigrants, not thanks to them. Keep these facts in mind, my children.
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There is no greater proof that illegal aliens, and even 'legal' aliens are a drain on a nation's treasury than Canada. We should, by all rights, be by far the wealthiest nation on earth. Alas, we have social programs for immigrants who should not be allowed into the country in the first place. These are people who do not pay taxes, thus placing crushing responsibilities onto the shoulders of taxpaying Canadians. It is one reason why our taxes are amongst the highest on earth. Get rid of these immigrants, and watch our economy take off. Our economy is one of the best in the world IN SPITE of the immigrants, not thanks to them. Keep these facts in mind, my children.
Imo, it's an issue of WHAT immigrants. The US university system attracts foreigners, mostly asians, who work on PhDs, mostly in engineering, science, and math. After they get their degrees, 2/3 stay here. That's what a country needs to advance, not mexican peons who can't write their own name.
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That's what a country needs to advance, not mexican peons who can't write their own name.
You tell me that I wrongly call you a racist, but what the hell do I call you when you say stuff like that? Mexicans have just as much ability as about anyone else to do what they want, become doctors, etc. Ironically I recently saw a piece on NPR of an illegal immigrant who came here from Mexico, worked his ass off and ended up at Harvard Med. He is now a surgeon if I remember correctly.
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You tell me that I wrongly call you a racist, but what the hell do I call you when you say stuff like that? Mexicans have just as much ability as about anyone else to do what they want, become doctors, etc. Ironically I recently saw a piece on NPR of an illegal immigrant who came here from Mexico, worked his ass off and ended up at Harvard Med. He is now a surgeon if I remember correctly.
Once again, your reading comprehension problem - you see what you want to see, not what's there. I have no doubt many mexicans could become doctors, etc. It's just not OUR job to bring them from total illiteracy to a PhD, when there are many super-educated asians who want to come here. The U.S. shouldn't be a social service stop for 20 million uneducated illegal mexican aliens - we just can't afford it.
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Once again, your reading comprehension problem - you see what you want to see, not what's there. I have no doubt many mexicans could become doctors, etc. It's just not OUR job to bring them from total illiteracy to a PhD, when there are many super-educated asians who want to come here. The U.S. shouldn't be a social service stop for 20 million uneducated illegal mexican aliens - we just can't afford it.
Actually you have comprehension problems because I never suggested we should see that every Mexican immigrant becomes a PhD. I am merely saying that you are blatantly racist in calling them peons and illiterates. A lot of them can read and write in Spanish, so it is flatout wrong. You are also wrong is saying they don't advance the nation. Also you are stereotypical of asians here.
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