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Old April 17th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #21
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so why try to solve this one and not some other that is just as probable
First of all the probabilities are not the same. Second, did I say we should not try to solve other potential problems?
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Old April 17th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #22
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First of all the probabilities are not the same. Second, did I say we should not try to solve other potential problems?
why this one
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Old April 17th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #23
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why this one
I never said it should not be other ones! I am just saying this is something that is feasible and it might be a good idea to look at it.
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a solar flare that is very large would remove our planet from the face of the solar system
You have seen one too many science fiction films, sir.
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You have seen one too many science fiction films, sir.
would it not turn our planet into an uninhabitable asteroid
it would destroy life on the planet permanently
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would it not turn our planet into an uninhabitable asteroid
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it would destroy life on the planet permanently
No and no.

You can sleep sound at night, Schmidt, knowing the only harm solar flares do to Earth is cause a geomagnetic storm which can interrupt electricity and radio transmissions, pull low-orbiting satellites closer to Earth, harm astronauts and spacecraft and create really cool light show in the aurora borealis and aurora australis.

The strongest solar flare ever detected was in 2003, where it is estimated a X50 hit. Could be fatal for exposed astronauts, but not us Earth dwellers.

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No and no.

You can sleep sound at night, Schmidt, knowing the only harm solar flares do to Earth is cause a geomagnetic storm which can interrupt electricity and radio transmissions, pull low-orbiting satellites closer to Earth, harm astronauts and spacecraft and create really cool light show in the aurora borealis and aurora australis.

The strongest solar flare ever detected was in 2003, where it is estimated a X50 hit. Could be fatal for exposed astronauts, but not us Earth dwellers.
The amount of energy released is the equivalent of millions of 100-megaton hydrogen bombs exploding at the same time! A solar flare contains high energy photons and particles, and is released from the Sun in a relatively short amount of time (a few minutes).
so you are wrong what if there is a larger one
Compared to Earth, the sun is enormous! It contains 99.86% of all of the mass of the entire solar system. The sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it. Earth is about the size of an average sunspot!
So now let’s talk about the validity of a solar flare
Additionally, solar scientists are concerned that this gravitational plane (that is the backbone to the Milky Way's dark rift) may send the sun on a rampage which sets off powerful x-class solar storms and CMEs. (coronal mass ejections) It's these x-class storms that have the ability to generate an EMP event (electromagnetic pulse) like the one that hit the Earth in 1859. Once that happens again with today's technological world of electronics, the United States will go dark in about three minutes or less, along with the rest of the world.
Oh by the way there would be a solar wind that would probably strip away our atmosphere. And your next rebuttal about earth’s magnetic field protecting us is bull because a solar flare that is big enough to reach and hit the earth would have a lot more power than the one at the top. Think about that
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A super nova in our immediate vicinity is our problem. Asteroids are for movies. Volcanoes are fine for drama. A pulse from a star exploding in our vicinity is the one thing we can not predict. When that hits, we could care less about the 5 billion years until our red giant swallows our planet. And the effects will not be local, it will consume all life, all Kindle fires, and all iPods; everything. Eww, can we do a movie, and can Tommy Lee Jones play the first one to be blown away? J/k. The postal service will still deliver, through rain, sleet, snow, darkness, and will make government programs a little less distasteful. Or, u may be a right wing guy that wants the USPS to fail, just so that you can say, 'I told u so, gov'ment is just a way to waste our freedoms

Okay, that was a cheap shot about right wingers. But, come on, we all want the same thing- a country that is free and productive. Welfare queens and welfare corporations are both a scab on the backs of hard workers. Unions are neither the solution, nor the enemy. How about we limit corporations to what was known in the founders time, and that is that people are sovereign? Corporations used to be what the community decided what they should be. Nowadays, the lobbyists of the corporations tell us that the Supreme Court can bathe in their hot tubs. So much for the people. Where is the Supreme Court when we desperately need them? The Supreme court is politically posturing. They decided that anyone can donate any amount that they want to, to political entities, to influencing politics, to buying their version of government. When do the people get a voice? When does voting matter? Democrats and Republicans are both on the dole. I just hope that the next supernova takes out the lobbyists.

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And with that I am done. I do not like being called a liar. I have a PhD in astrophysics and astronomy. I think I am pretty well-versed in the topic of this conversation, but apparently you think you know more and would rather dismiss facts and call me a liar.

I will send myp a PM resigning as mod, delete all of my personal information and bid the forum a farewell.

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The amount of energy released is the equivalent of millions of 100-megaton hydrogen bombs exploding at the same time! A solar flare contains high energy photons and particles, and is released from the Sun in a relatively short amount of time (a few minutes).
so you are wrong what if there is a larger one
Compared to Earth, the sun is enormous! It contains 99.86% of all of the mass of the entire solar system. The sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it. Earth is about the size of an average sunspot!
So now let’s talk about the validity of a solar flare
Additionally, solar scientists are concerned that this gravitational plane (that is the backbone to the Milky Way's dark rift) may send the sun on a rampage which sets off powerful x-class solar storms and CMEs. (coronal mass ejections) It's these x-class storms that have the ability to generate an EMP event (electromagnetic pulse) like the one that hit the Earth in 1859. Once that happens again with today's technological world of electronics, the United States will go dark in about three minutes or less, along with the rest of the world.
Oh by the way there would be a solar wind that would probably strip away our atmosphere. And your next rebuttal about earth’s magnetic field protecting us is bull because a solar flare that is big enough to reach and hit the earth would have a lot more power than the one at the top. Think about that
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I'm a newbie, but I love your posts, Comet. I hope that I didn't say anything to offend you. Sorry that I posted between your comments, and Schmidts. We all know that he is a jerk, even he knows that. I hope you don't give up.
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Before I leave, I wanted to completely debunk Schmidt's knowledge and theories he has ascertained from Hollywood films and such. Since someone with two Ph.D's regarding the subject is apparently not good enough for him, I will leave some quotes and links, in case there is anyone left who actually believes the poppycock he has asserted.

Can a 'killer' solar flare really destroy Earth?

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Not really. While electromagnetic fluctuations from solar flares can disrupt satellites, interrupt power grids, or jam communication equipment, "there simply isn't enough energy in the sun to send a killer fireball 93 million miles to destroy Earth," says NASA. The real danger is for pilots and astronauts who rely on satellite transmissions to carry out their operations ó and it's why NASA issues warnings when a big solar storm (like the one expected in 2012) is coming.
http://theweek.com/article/index/221...troy-earthnbsp

Will A Massive Solar Flare Destroy the Earth?

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Thirdly, and more to the point, such a solar flare would not destroy the Earth.
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Yes, the sudden flux in charged particles would have an adverse effect on our electrical systems (including the entire grid system). And there will be some aurorae where there usually arenít any. But ultimately, life will continue to flourish on the Earth.
http://space.about.com/od/sunsol/a/S...Conspiracy.htm

Good news! Killer solar flare won't destroy Earth!

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If the world ends in 2012, the sun won't be to blame, NASA officials say.
Contrary to what some doomsayers would have you believe, our star isn't capable of blasting out a solar flare powerful enough to burn our planet to a crisp, according to the space agency.

"Most importantly, however, there simply isn't enough energy in the sun to send a killer fireball 93 million miles to destroy Earth," NASA officials wrote in a Nov. 10 statement.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45259420...destroy-earth/

I could go on and on, but I will not bother. Apparently Schmidt knows more than NASA (whom I was employed with for seven years from 83-90) and those with Ph.D's because he saw the film '2012' and took the premise at face value.

Go ahead and Google "Can Earth Be Destroyed By A Solar Flare" for yourself and see.
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Before I leave, I wanted to completely debunk Schmidt's knowledge and theories he has ascertained from Hollywood films and such. Since someone with two Ph.D's regarding the subject is apparently not good enough for him, I will leave some quotes and links, in case there is anyone left who actually believes the poppycock he has asserted.

Can a 'killer' solar flare really destroy Earth?



http://theweek.com/article/index/221...troy-earthnbsp

Will A Massive Solar Flare Destroy the Earth?





http://space.about.com/od/sunsol/a/S...Conspiracy.htm

Good news! Killer solar flare won't destroy Earth!



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45259420...destroy-earth/

I could go on and on, but I will not bother. Apparently Schmidt knows more than NASA (whom I was employed with for seven years from 83-90) and those with Ph.D's because he saw the film '2012' and took the premise at face value.

Go ahead and Google "Can Earth Be Destroyed By A Solar Flare" for yourself and see.
first of all you are acting immature by resigning and second of all you probally did not read my post because you did not address solar winds or the dark rift, you are too stuck on the fact that it emmits a electro-magnetic pluse. And by the way flaunting your degrees does not mean you are right. So the end my message if you ever get back on this forum
maybe you can stop assuming I get all my info from movies.

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I'm a newbie, but I love your posts, Comet. I hope that I didn't say anything to offend you. Sorry that I posted between your comments, and Schmidts. We all know that he is a jerk, even he knows that. I hope you don't give up.
call me all you want but you are still going to be a dork
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Honestly, can we all just move past this? The more mature ones be the bigger person and ignore the immature ones? And stop with the name-calling altogether, it is against forum rules and is also just childish.
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Old April 21st, 2012, 07:23 AM   #35
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If a large enough asteroid were to hit the Earth it could potentially kill all human life on the planet, drastically change the environment/temperatures, etc. Do you think that governments should be investing more in technology to detect and viably get rid of such threats? If so, should it be a collaborative effort or burdened by the bigger nations?
In an effort to move on I have a question. Would Russia and maybe China try to block any system we would try to work with? I am sure they would oppose anything like a "force field" or " Photon Torpedeo" !

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In an effort to move on I have a question. Would Russia and maybe China try to block any system we would try to work with? I am sure they would oppose anything like a "force field" or " Photon Torpedeo" !

??? Why would they try to stop it- it would mean they would probably die out too.
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??? Why would they try to stop it- it would mean they would probably die out too.
Because they would claim it was a weapon to use against them. Ever notice how Russia always sees things differently than the rest of the world? They have been against our missile defense system from the start. And they usually try to protect the "bad guys".
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et al,

I believe that science is one of the more important investments we can make, with respect to our nations future.

We should be pouring money into all the cornerstone disciplines with science; at both the theoretical and practical levels. Yes, even the investigation into asteroids. You never know where that might lead.

America should become the 21st Century version of the worlds center for scientific research. In the coming decades, it will be more important in knowing the science than will be in building a huge national defense system.

It will be our advancements in science and technology that will save our nation and its economy. We should be investing in scientific research of every kind.

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et al,

I believe that science is one of the more important investments we can make, with respect to our nations future.

We should be pouring money into all the cornerstone disciplines with science; at both the theoretical and practical levels. Yes, even the investigation into asteroids. You never know where that might lead.

America should become the 21st Century version of the worlds center for scientific research. In the coming decades, it will be more important in knowing the science than will be in building a huge national defense system.

It will be our advancements in science and technology that will save our nation and its economy. We should be investing in scientific research of every kind.

Most Respectfully,
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Agreed. And we can't even go to the space station on our own anymore. We did not get beat in the race to space, we quit.

Not sure we have much money to "pour" anywhere right now. We poured to much down ratholes.
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et al,

I believe that science is one of the more important investments we can make, with respect to our nations future.

We should be pouring money into all the cornerstone disciplines with science; at both the theoretical and practical levels. Yes, even the investigation into asteroids. You never know where that might lead.

America should become the 21st Century version of the worlds center for scientific research. In the coming decades, it will be more important in knowing the science than will be in building a huge national defense system.

It will be our advancements in science and technology that will save our nation and its economy. We should be investing in scientific research of every kind.

Most Respectfully,
R
Alas it'll never happen so long as the theocratic reactionaries have any serious say in the way money is spent.
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