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Old July 31st, 2012, 12:15 AM   #1
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Syrian Peace Idea

This is just an idea to solve the number of political problems in Syria.

Syria will adopt a multi party system which should hopefully allow for a system of government
that will be good for the country.
The president of Syria should be a syrian muslim but the 2 vice-president positions should represent
other groups of syria, one should be a christian while the other one should be a syrian kurd. the
kurds of syria should be given citizenship and certain concessions such as local councils which gives
them some say on the areas were they are the majority or their lands. but the kurds should count themselves
as syrian kurds and not associate with other kurdish groups that want to form a kurdish nation as this
will bring the conflict to include 3 other countries in the region. If they partake in activities to create
a kurdish nation they should be considered terrorists. (the state of the kurds is not an issue here and should
not be counted as need to include other countries of the region to figure out the state of the kurds)
The positions of Prime Minister and Speaker of The Peoples Council can be reserved for a muslim but there are
three main sects in Syria. A Sunni, Alawi, Druze occupy position of Speaker, Prime Minister, President. Example
if president is a sunni then the prime minister must be a alawi or druze and if druze than the speaker is a alawi.
The peoples council currently has 250 members and if it has to happen than certain seats can be reserved for certain
groups. This hould only happen if it will help ensure a peaceful transaction to a new system. There coulb be 5 seats
reserved for kurds. if needed than 10 to 15 seats can be reserved for the rulin Baath party but if that happens then
8 to 14 seats can be reserved for the Syrian National Council, if they agree to the peace idea and call to a end to
voilence. If it will help end the violence then some seats, no more than 5, can be reserved for islamics(not extremists)
If the people do not want or tire of the reserved seat idea then they should be able to remove the concept
through referundum.
Polical parties must be able to form in Syria as it will illustrate how the current government of syria is reformin
the country which should show the international community that the government is tryin to end the violence. If they
do try to reform but certain countries still criticise the government and call on it to be remove than they are trying
for regime change which will escalate the voilence and can cause it to spread to other regions.
If sides agree to the idea than a ceasfire should be arrange between government troops and opposition forces. The
government should be able to maintain current positions and be given certain key areas. Opposition areas should maintain
positions but not advance. Both sides should agree that they will not go on the offensive and their soldiers should only
fire if fired upon. Both sides should work together to ensure that if/when an incident happens that it does not spiral
out of control as that shows the international community that they need to enter as the two sides will continue to attack
each other.Also certain groups will try to restart the violence but the main groups should try to ensure that they fail
and these groups are eliminated from syria.
Medicine and medical aid is the only thing that should be given to the opposition or government as anythin else will only
give one side an advantage over the other. Givin them radios so they can talk to each other means they can better
coordinate their attacks.
Each side should handle their own forces if they break the ceasefire, example if opposition fighters kill government
soldiers then the goverment should complain and the opposition should punish the guilty party, if opposition does nothin
against the guilty party then show that maybe they support the act and are tryin to restart the violence.
When the violence has died down then a election for the peoples council should be announced and new vice-presidents,
prime minister, speaker should be chosen. Al assad should remain president till 2013 or 2014 when a president election
should be held, this gives government further reason to reform as not losing their president.
Key issue is there should be not attack or arrest of key people on both sides as they will only further the conflict.
Might be diificult to achieve this point becuase of the amount of dead but they should try to prevent more deaths not
try to avenge as that will lead to a greater number of dead. This includes sending people off to be tried for crimes as
people could perceive that as a revenge act or one side trying to gain an advantage. Families of the dead need to be given
things as to try to ease suffering. A main one should be that no one should pay to have their house rebuilt (only the
building no personal effects)
If Syria tries to bring about peace than the international community should do all it can to ensure that peace comes
but stop blamin one side. Its considered a uprisin or civil war which means that not just one side is being violent,
both are.

I would like some feedback, and see what you guys think.
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I wonder, in which peace and democracy, governor seats are reserved for ethnic and religious groups...

All peace plans are invalid until the end of the war.
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I wonder, in which peace and democracy, governor seats are reserved for ethnic and religious groups...

All peace plans are invalid until the end of the war.
Do you know why the Ottomans lasted so long despite Turks being a minority group? Because everyone was allowed to rule themselves. Christians didn't follow Sharia, Greeks had self-gov't, Slaves had their own country (Egypt), non-Muslims didn't have to fight the Empire's wars unless they volunteered (the Janissaries being the exception but they also had more power then Muslim citizens) and Muslims/Turks were able to accept their limited power by being tax exempt.

When you have a country with serious racial and sectarian issues, sharing power in such a way that nobody is disenfranchised is the only way to survive.
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Do you know why the Ottomans lasted so long despite Turks being a minority group? Because everyone was allowed to rule themselves. Christians didn't follow Sharia, Greeks had self-gov't, Slaves had their own country (Egypt), non-Muslims didn't have to fight the Empire's wars unless they volunteered (the Janissaries being the exception but they also had more power then Muslim citizens) and Muslims/Turks were able to accept their limited power by being tax exempt.

When you have a country with serious racial and sectarian issues, sharing power in such a way that nobody is disenfranchised is the only way to survive.
Ottoman E. had an outdated system. The realities of today quite different. Christians just do not have to pay taxes for their religious beliefs. Autonomous structure and excessive freedoms in nationality and religion had caused to many rebellion also.



Autonomous are outdated system since the french revolution. İf we accepted the human rights regardless of race and religion, anybody can be chosen for a seat according to qualifications and not race,religion etc...


Here is two country came to my mind, has a autonomy system based on race and religion. Bosnia and Iraq. And both failed states.


( By the way, Janissaries were muslims too. They were orphans of Christian community, taken at very young age and raised as a muslim. Not as a muslim exactly, they were raised as a ''Bektaşi-Alevi'' for not to be intertwined with people. Then it became the basis of Alevism in Turkey. Turkish Alevis are quaite different then the Alevis in Iraq,İran,Syria for this reason. İt's somethink like men made up (Hacı Bektaş)religion for these soldiers life. And today their beliefs are not accepted in Turkey, their temples are not respected by law and they facing many problems )

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I wonder, in which peace and democracy, governor seats are reserved for ethnic and religious groups...

All peace plans are invalid until the end of the war.
One of the main fears is the conflict becomin sectarian which means all different groups fightin each other. That can lead to a wider conflict as remember violence has already gone into Lebanon between two opposing sides. Idea is one to try and prevent further violence

The French revolution was not a very peaceful transition and by that time Nationalism had come to France. Nationalism is people identify with the nation but as shown in the middle east there are still very tribal and divide on those matters
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(By the way, Janissaries were muslims too. They were orphans of Christian community, taken at very young age and raised as a muslim. Not as a muslim exactly, they were raised as a ''Bektaşi-Alevi'' for not to be intertwined with people. Then it became the basis of Alevism in Turkey. Turkish Alevis are quaite different then the Alevis in Iraq,İran,Syria for this reason. İt's somethink like men made up (Hacı Bektaş)religion for these soldiers life. And today their beliefs are not accepted in Turkey, their temples are not respected by law and they facing many problems )
Wrong... Sort of. Most Janissaries converted but all were Christians and not all converted (Dracula probably being the most famous example).
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One of the main fears is the conflict becomin sectarian which means all different groups fightin each other. That can lead to a wider conflict as remember violence has already gone into Lebanon between two opposing sides. Idea is one to try and prevent further violence

The French revolution was not a very peaceful transition and by that time Nationalism had come to France. Nationalism is people identify with the nation but as shown in the middle east there are still very tribal and divide on those matters
Dividing them with seats is not solving the separatist movements too, as seen in the examples of Iraq,Bosnia etc. On the contrary, it's ''legalising'' their way to do it. According to the results of the war, there will be a restructuring of Syria.Arab rebels would never accept something like this idea now. Russians also offering a similar plan. Already, Russia will be removed from ME in the aftermath of this fight

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Wrong... Sort of. Most Janissaries converted but all were Christians and not all converted (Dracula probably being the most famous example).
As far as I know, they were all converted to Bektashi sect until the seventeenth century then normal sunni muslims also had the right to be an infantryman in this class. Already, hereafter, distortions had arisen in this military class

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Dividing them with seats is not solving the separatist movements too, as seen in the examples of Iraq,Bosnia etc. On the contrary, it's ''legalising'' their way to do it. According to the results of the war, there will be a restructuring of Syria.Arab rebels would never accept something like this idea now. Russians also offering a similar plan. Already, Russia will be removed from ME in the aftermath of this fight

iraq suffering from sectorian violence because of the distrust between the different groups because of its history. and there a similar system in Lebanon were government positions are reserved for different groups and that considered one of the best democracy in the region.
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iraq suffering from sectorian violence because of the distrust between the different groups because of its history. and there a similar system in Lebanon were government positions are reserved for different groups and that considered one of the best democracy in the region.
Well it used to be, then there was a civil war, occupation and de facto split of the country down sectarian lines. Right now Lebanon's only claim to fame is winning a defensive war against Israel, democracy there is a joke.
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Well it used to be, then there was a civil war, occupation and de facto split of the country down sectarian lines. Right now Lebanon's only claim to fame is winning a defensive war against Israel, democracy there is a joke.


how used to be? there are still reports of violence between the groups and they have said tensions are risin recently and that is a reason why some people are concerned about the syrian violence cause it could increase the tension makin it spread to other regions.
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how used to be? there are still reports of violence between the groups and they have said tensions are risin recently and that is a reason why some people are concerned about the syrian violence cause it could increase the tension makin it spread to other regions.
It used to be a healthy democracy. And learn to quote.
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Dividing them with seats is not solving the separatist movements too, as seen in the examples of Iraq,Bosnia etc. On the contrary, it's ''legalising'' their way to do it. According to the results of the war, there will be a restructuring of Syria.Arab rebels would never accept something like this idea now. Russians also offering a similar plan. Already, Russia will be removed from ME in the aftermath of this fight

iraq suffering from sectorian violence because of the distrust between the different groups because of its history. and there a similar system in Lebanon were government positions are reserved for different groups and that considered one of the best democracy in the region.

There are various armed groups were in fight already and remained as armed after the war. What type of democracy could be in a place where armed groups are taking precautions aganist each other and neighbor.

İt's like an area of ​​the cold war of Sunnis and Alewis, Muslims and İsrail. Also Armenians are trying to live there.

Yes, An end to violence for a time is a positive development really but it's hard to call it as ''democracy''
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There are various armed groups were in fight already and remained as armed after the war. What type of democracy could be in a place where armed groups are taking precautions aganist each other and neighbor.
İt's like an area of ​​the cold war of Sunnis and Alewis, Muslims and İsrail. Also Armenians are trying to live there.
Yes, An end to violence for a time is a positive development really but it's hard to call it as ''democracy''

a cold war can escalate into a worse conflict if both sides do nothing to prevent, as shown durin the cold war as there were incidents that could have lead to a wider conflict but luckily did not. As sunni and shia tension is rising which is shown by which regional powers are against the syrian government and those supportin it.

It used to be a healthy democracy. And learn to quote.

like to apologise realised you talk about one country while i talked bout another. also wil use quote properly if it really matters

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like to apologise realised you talk about one country while i talked bout another. also wil use quote properly if it really matters
Yes it matters, how else am I to know who I'm talking to?
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a cold war can escalate into a worse conflict if both sides do nothing to prevent, as shown durin the cold war as there were incidents that could have lead to a wider conflict but luckily did not. As sunni and shia tension is rising which is shown by which regional powers are against the syrian government and those supportin it.
True but, it's not the fault of Syria that it has big influence out there. Also, İran's statements or the visit of Turkish PM is causing great tension in this ''ME's best democracy'' .

Briefly, I believe, ethnic or religious groups have no value as privilege in a real democracy. The key issue should be ''citizenship'' only with fullequality. For the rest, the groups that your plans are based on their worries, not seeking for 'peace and democracy' or not ready yet.

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Briefly, I believe, ethnic or religious groups have no value as privilege in a real democracy. The key issue should be ''citizenship'' only with fullequality. For the rest, the groups that your plans are based on their worries, not seeking for 'peace and democracy' or not ready yet.

Citizenship should be that all that matters but in the present situation it will not work as i believe the animosity between the groups would prevent such a thing from workin. a country needs to find a system of government that will work and by givin all the different ethnic and religious groups a say in their country they should all place their top priority as their countries well being. and hopefully over time all they will care about is citizenship, will take longer but if wanted quicker well history shows that will involve violence as there are always certain groups that do not want to change.

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The same can be happen in a general election system that nobody has reserved seats before. For example in our country, Kurds generally vote to their party, which is legal side of a terrorist organisation.



I just don't believe a sytem that promotes the separation of groups even before elections and people's choice on equal terms can't be the solution neither for now or future. Also we have seen another examples of this.


But I respect your view on this, this is my own idea.
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yes it can happen in a general election but doesnt always, also the country was not currently involved in a civil war. and we have to face the truth a persons background and beliefs will play a part when a person is tryin to be involved in politics and sometimes different groups are unable to get representation
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I would like some feedback, and see what you guys think.
Many good ideas there, SJ. The hard part making it work, not coming up with the ideas. So far, I doubt Assad is willing to dicker on loosening his dictatorship.
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