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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #1
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Where does America go from here?

I realize this topic is "America"-centric, and this is an international board, but I personally welcome the world's view, considering the actions America takes unfortunately affect the rest of you too.

So I ask the question, how do we reconcile as a nation (or don't we?) after this election. How do we address the misuse of government power? I guess the best way to start is to quantify and prioritize the issues? I can think of one good issue to start:

Special Interest -> Money-> Corruption . Citizen's United, Income inequality (redistribution of wealth). There are so many!

What about Media and money? I think these are all issues of concern to all Americans, whatever your affiliation.

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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #2
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1) Capitalism has become a part of our system of Government, and must be put back into it's place.....the economy.

2) Media has grown into a partisan machine, adding to the distance between a moderate citizenry. Hatred has become the new car accident...and media the ambulance chaser.

3) Immigration has always been a core aspect of our success, current ideology has turned this into a part of "What Is Wrong" with our country. Racist and caucasian-centric thinking must be allowed to fade.

4) Unless a measure of compromise can be reached in our Governing bodies, this country will continue to slip into stagnation and eventually fail.


Just an opinion, based on observation.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:43 PM   #3
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1) Capitalism has become a part of our system of Government, and must be put back into it's place.....the economy.
Agreed, and how would you do it? Protectionism? Criminal prosecution? Regulation? a combo of all or none of the above? What mechanism(s) would you use to solve the problem?

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2) Media has grown into a partisan machine, adding to the distance between a moderate citizenry. Hatred has become the new car accident...and media the ambulance chaser.
Illustrates the problem fairly well. Probably safe to say we have "editorial", and no longer "news". Used to be (pre-80's) care was taken that news be objective, and whenever an opinion was given, the opposing view had to get equal time. Not perfect, but at least it was some attempt.

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3)Immigration has always been a core aspect of our success, current ideology has turned this into a part of "What Is Wrong" with our country. Racist and caucasian-centric thinking must be allowed to fade.
What he said~

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4) Unless a measure of compromise can be reached in our Governing bodies, this country will continue to slip into stagnation and eventually fail.

Just an opinion, based on observation.
Virtually impossible unless the Filibuster is reformed (mo). Of course the Democrats are talking about it now because they're in power. What would be politically courageous on their part would be to address the issue when they're not! And I predict that will NEVER HAPPEN lol......
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #4
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Agreed, and how would you do it? Protectionism? Criminal prosecution? Regulation? a combo of all or none of the above? What mechanism(s) would you use to solve the problem?
I would recommend a change in access to politicians by lobbying powers, Legislation (perhaps Constitutional) to make financial contribution the bribery it actually is, and transparency laws.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #5
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I would recommend a change is access to politicians by lobbying powers, Legislation (perhaps Constitutional) to make financial contribution the bribery it actually is, and transparency laws.
How is that Constitutional? Also what do you do about PACs?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #6
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I refer to an amendment if needed. Citizens united must be removed, and public financing returned to all elections.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:14 PM   #7
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I refer to an amendment if needed. Citizens united must be removed, and public financing returned to all elections.
Can you explain further what you would want in terms of PACs as well as private organizations paying for commercials, rallies, etc. in support of candidates?
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Can you explain further what you would want in terms of PACs as well as private organizations paying for commercials, rallies, etc. in support of candidates?
I would prefer political ads in general be done away with, perhaps replaced with public sponsored airtime for a candidate. As for Pacs...I see them as a large part of the corruption in politics, and have no use for the concept of corporate entities having the rights I do.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #9
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Can you explain further what you would want in terms of PACs as well as private organizations paying for commercials, rallies, etc. in support of candidates?
What about a "Federal Board of Elections" to administer/regulate all aspects of federal elections (no oversight on state elections. States remain autonomous and run their own). Just a thought....
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Sorry Myp! I know that didn't really answer your quoted question!...my bad~
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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:21 PM   #11
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I would prefer political ads in general be done away with, perhaps replaced with public sponsored airtime for a candidate. As for Pacs...I see them as a large part of the corruption in politics, and have no use for the concept of corporate entities having the rights I do.
PACs aren't just from corporations, but that aside, don't you see a larger 1st amendment issue here when you say no political ads? How far does that go? You can't say I endorse candidate X on tv? Can you shout it on a busy street? On a billboard? Radio? Etc.

Furthermore, what about advocating policy positions that are clearly tied to just 1 candidate? "I support gun deregulation - gun regulation is the end of America. Vote for the candidate who supports gun deregulation".
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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #12
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What about a "Federal Board of Elections" to administer/regulate all aspects of federal elections (no oversight on state elections. States remain autonomous and run their own). Just a thought....
Well we do have the FEC...

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Agreed, and how would you do it? Protectionism? Criminal prosecution? Regulation? a combo of all or none of the above? What mechanism(s) would you use to solve the problem?

Or we could just try socialism. Real socialism, where the workers own the businesses, not that state-capitalist BS.

Illustrates the problem fairly well. Probably safe to say we have "editorial", and no longer "news". Used to be (pre-80's) care was taken that news be objective, and whenever an opinion was given, the opposing view had to get equal time. Not perfect, but at least it was some attempt.

Allow corporate contributions for documentaries and specials and allow ads between shows but fund actual news only with public money, don't allow ads during newscasts and restore the Fairness Doctrine

What he said~

We're the America in Latin America and has been for about 20-30 years now. My fellow whites need to accept that reality.

Virtually impossible unless the Filibuster is reformed (mo). Of course the Democrats are talking about it now because they're in power. What would be politically courageous on their part would be to address the issue when they're not! And I predict that will NEVER HAPPEN lol......
Agreed. lol
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Old November 20th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #14
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You are talking of corruption in American politics? puts! Little do these politicians are saints near one I know in the outside world ... Starting with politics in Russia, Italy, etc ...
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Old November 20th, 2012, 12:35 AM   #15
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Corruption and politics has always existed, it is inevitable, comes from the days of Rome. The problem is when the parties have monopolized, ie, all playing on the same side, then begin ai parties to stop accusing opponents because of shady deals.

I believe also that financial speculation and unbridled capitalism insentivando end, with loobys, companies keep politicians hands. But worst of all is the people who own unconsciously ends up supporting it. If you research the background will see that the great problem of corruption comes from the citizen.
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