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Old November 30th, 2017, 10:37 AM   #21
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I have? Do you know what admittedly means? 1984 and Animal Farm are required HS reading (as literary works, if the political commentary was discussed rightists wouldn't be using it all the time).
I recall not reading NEITHER in HS.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 10:42 AM   #22
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I have? Do you know what admittedly means? 1984 and Animal Farm are required HS reading (as literary works, if the political commentary was discussed rightists wouldn't be using it all the time).
my bad then,

Did you read it? actually read it?

It seems if you are calling it satire, you either didn't understand what you read or relied on a socialist website to interpret it for you.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 10:53 AM   #23
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my bad then,

Did you read it? actually read it?

It seems if you are calling it satire, you either didn't understand what you read or relied on a socialist website to interpret it for you.
Satire =/= comedy. 1984 was a satiric commentary on WW2 exaggerating the militarism of Japan, Stalinism of the Soviets and Fascism of the Germans with the post war commercialism and proxy wars to feed it mixed in. The Right likes to take it as literal truth as some sort of authoritarian wet dream when it was in truth a criticism of American Laissez-faire capitalism and Soviet state-capitalism and the fake (to his view) animosity both sides cultivated to keep the public in line. Eric Blair was a democratic socialist with NO love for commercialism, 1984 was the polar opposite (which was the point) of what he wanted the world to look like. If the world was truly Orwellian, we'd look like the Federation from ST.

Sut sure, mindlessly accuse anyone that corrects your misunderstanding of going to socialist websites.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 12:21 PM   #24
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I'm still not sure you've read it. have you?

Anyways, another good article on it...


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...b_7688758.html



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How do you change the way people think? You start by changing the words they use.
In totalitarian regimes—a.k.a. police states—where conformity and compliance are enforced at the end of a loaded gun, the government dictates what words can and cannot be used. In countries where the police state hides behind a benevolent mask and disguises itself as tolerance, the citizens censor themselves, policing their words and thoughts to conform to the dictates of the mass mind.
Even when the motives behind this rigidly calibrated reorientation of societal language appear well-intentioned—discouraging racism, condemning violence, denouncing discrimination and hatred—inevitably, the end result is the same: intolerance, indoctrination and infantilism.
It’s political correctness disguised as tolerance, civility and love, but what it really amounts to is the chilling of free speech and the demonizing of viewpoints that run counter to the cultural elite.
As a society, we’ve become fearfully polite, careful to avoid offense, and largely unwilling to be labeled intolerant, hateful, closed-minded or any of the other toxic labels that carry a badge of shame today. The result is a nation where no one says what they really think anymore, at least if it runs counter to the prevailing views. Intolerance is the new scarlet letter of our day, a badge to be worn in shame and humiliation, deserving of society’s fear, loathing and utter banishment from society.
For those “haters” who dare to voice a different opinion, retribution is swift: they will be shamed, shouted down, silenced, censored, fired, cast out and generally relegated to the dust heap of ignorant, mean-spirited bullies who are guilty of various “word crimes.”
We have entered a new age where, as commentator Mark Steyn notes, “we have to tiptoe around on ever thinner eggshells” and “the forces of ‘tolerance’ are intolerant of anything less than full-blown celebratory approval.”
In such a climate of intolerance, there can be no freedom speech, expression or thought.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 04:57 PM   #25
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I'm still not sure you've read it. have you?

Anyways, another good article on it...


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...b_7688758.html
As I said, people on the right like to take the book literally which totally misses the point.
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Old December 1st, 2017, 10:38 AM   #26
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Political correctness is a term made up by racists and fascists to attack decency in all its forms.
Most political buzz-words and devious phrases are just forms of lying and obfuscation --- reality is too complex to be put into the strait-jackets of political expediency.
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Old December 1st, 2017, 10:41 AM   #27
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Ah yes, a Trumpet citing socialist satire. Always amusing when it happens.
Actually, 1984 is satire about all forms of modern totalitarianism --- including that which presently exists in the USA.
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Old December 1st, 2017, 10:50 AM   #28
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Actually, 1984 is satire about all forms of modern totalitarianism --- including that which presently exists in the USA.
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Only in well hidden cults in compounds out in the boonies.
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Old December 1st, 2017, 10:59 AM   #29
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Plenty of compounds in Washington DC, but it is no longer in the boonies --- at least since World War II.

"Washington combines the charm and grace of the North with the efficiency of the South."
--- John F. Kennedy
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Old December 1st, 2017, 11:01 AM   #30
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Plenty of compounds in Washington DC, but it is no longer in the boonies --- at least since World War II.

"Washington combines the charm and grace of the North with the efficiency of the South."
--- John F. Kennedy
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Haven't heard of any. Must be lying really low.
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 03:50 PM   #31
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Sorry, I misquoted:

Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern charm.
--- John F. Kennedy
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