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Old August 16th, 2016, 05:54 PM   #1
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Many people have bad things to say about Donald Trump but I have something good to say. Trump says if he wins, he can get prayer brought back in schools. Children need to pray in schools. If they're taught to pray, they might grow up to be Christians. That would make them better citizens and better leaders.

So many of today's people are non-religious. They believe that God is fictional and they and many other people don't take their children to churches or go to churches themselves. If children aren't taught anything about God, they'll grow up to believe that he is fictional as well. If children are taught to pray, they may grow to worship God and if they do, God will bless them.

Many Hillary supporters who read this will say that Trump lied. Hillary tells lies and it has been proven. It's unfair when people point out Trump's lies and ignore Hillary's lies. I can't be 100% sure if Trump is being honest about bringing prayer back to schools but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm also willing to admit that Trump has some big flaws but so does Hillary. I'm against Hillary and I was also against Trump. But when he said that he can bring prayer back to schools, I decided to give him a chance. Prayer is important to me and religion is important to me.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #2
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[QUOTE=Rjohnson;61567]Many people have bad things to say about Donald Trump but I have something good to say. Trump says if he wins, he can get prayer brought back in schools. Children need to pray in schools. If they're taught to pray, they might grow up to be Christians. That would make them better citizens and better leaders.

So many of today's people are non-religious. They believe that God is fictional and they and many other people don't take their children to churches or go to churches themselves. If children aren't taught anything about God, they'll grow up to believe that he is fictional as well. If children are taught to pray, they may grow to worship God and if they do, God will bless them.

Many Hillary supporters who read this will say that Trump lied. Hillary tells lies and it has been proven. It's unfair when people point out Trump's lies and ignore Hillary's lies. I can't be 100% sure if Trump is being honest about bringing prayer back to schools but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm also willing to admit that Trump has some big flaws but so does Hillary. I'm against Hillary and I was also against Trump. But when he said that he can bring prayer back to schools, I decided to give him a chance. Prayer is important to me and religion is important to me.[/QUOTE]

Well...good for you. Would you also decide to support Trump if he claimed he would bring back one of the other Gods into our nations public schools so our kids could become Muslim, Jewish, Hindu...etc...?
I suppose you also believe him when he says he will build a wall which everyone will simply dig under, monitor or remove anyone who prays to a God you disagree with, Kill all the ISIS thinkers because he can read their minds, solve the war of the races.....etc....
Sounds to me as if your religious faith has eliminated critical thinking ability. Go ahead and vote for a man who promotes hatred and division in our country....seems a very Christian thing to do. I prefer not voting for someone like that or someone who is obviously going to lose.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 06:46 AM   #3
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Evangelicals are just Islamists minus the Muhammad hero worship. Implementing their ideas would mean the end of the Republic.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 12:21 PM   #4
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Evangelicals are just Islamists minus the Muhammad hero worship. Implementing their ideas would mean the end of the Republic.


Interesting "make-believe" land you live in.
Here's some quotes from a few Evangelicals that founded the Republic:

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The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."
-John Quincy Adams


"I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself."
--William Penn


"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

--Patrick Henry

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."

-Alexander Hamilton
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Old August 17th, 2016, 12:33 PM   #5
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Interesting "make-believe" land you live in.
Here's some quotes from a few Evangelicals that founded the Republic:

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The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."
-John Quincy Adams


"I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself."
--William Penn


"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

--Patrick Henry

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."

-Alexander Hamilton
Thanks for the quotes from 200 years ago...Christianity and Islam were quite different then. Todays Islam has been hijacked by people that wish to force i's God thingy on others at sword point...Christianity dropped the sword and exchanged it for lawyers.

Both seek the same result....make other people do what you want based on massive Ego and worship of unseen and unknowable imaginary realities. Both also read whatever they want into ancient writing to make them feel what they do is acceptable.

It IS NOT acceptable to me.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 03:23 PM   #6
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Thanks for the quotes from 200 years ago...Christianity and Islam were quite different then. Todays Islam has been hijacked by people that wish to force i's God thingy on others at sword point...Christianity dropped the sword and exchanged it for lawyers.

Both seek the same result....make other people do what you want based on massive Ego and worship of unseen and unknowable imaginary realities. Both also read whatever they want into ancient writing to make them feel what they do is acceptable.

It IS NOT acceptable to me.
I love how he thinks he can quote people who lived at a time when liberal democracy and capitalism were revolutionary concepts in defence of modern partisans. Aside from the Puritans, even the most devout Christians understood the need to separate religion and secular government (the Quakers and Amish being the most obvious examples). It's a totally different ideology from contemporary, theocratic Evangelicalism.
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Old August 18th, 2016, 08:39 AM   #7
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Thanks for the quotes from 200 years ago...Christianity and Islam were quite different then.

Not just any quotes.

but quotes from founders of the Republic that are also Evangelical in nature.

Remember the original quote (so we don't stray to one of David's common straw men) is the following:

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Implementing their ideas would mean the end of the Republic.

Thus, hitherto and forthwith, I am proposing that David's quote is made into so much foolishness by the fact that those very ideas that he states would "end" the Republic are in fact the very same ideas that were essential in its "creation".
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Old August 18th, 2016, 09:20 AM   #8
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Not just any quotes.

but quotes from founders of the Republic that are also Evangelical in nature.

Remember the original quote (so we don't stray to one of David's common straw men) is the following:




Thus, hitherto and forthwith, I am proposing that David's quote is made into so much foolishness by the fact that those very ideas that he states would "end" the Republic are in fact the very same ideas that were essential in its "creation".
They are still outdated and irrelevant to the discussion. Believe it or not...our "Republic" has changed quite a bit since then, we even had to make traffic laws.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 06:55 PM   #9
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What is the supreme religion on this planet?

Catholicism, Protestantism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Communism, Agnosticism, Liberal, Conservative, and all the others are just subsets of the one supreme religion: The Cult of the Omnipotent State!

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Old August 25th, 2016, 12:33 AM   #10
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What is the supreme religion on this planet?

Catholicism, Protestantism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Communism, Agnosticism, Liberal, Conservative, and all the others are just subsets of the one supreme religion: The Cult of the Omnipotent State!

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Government is NOT religion, which would be why they are referred to as different things. This trend of calling everything people believe in or use a religion is irritating and not only lessens the concept of religion it does the same for the garnered respect of those who do so.
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