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Old February 20th, 2017, 11:17 PM   #1
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A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates

At a time when Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia, and the people connected to him, are under heightened scrutiny — with investigations by American intelligence agencies, the F.B.I. and Congress — some of his associates remain willing and eager to wade into Russia-related efforts behind the scenes.

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Old February 21st, 2017, 04:55 AM   #2
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At a time when Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia, and the people connected to him, are under heightened scrutiny — with investigations by American intelligence agencies, the F.B.I. and Congress — some of his associates remain willing and eager to wade into Russia-related efforts behind the scenes.

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You just may be putting too much stock in the FAKE NEWS crowd. Trump personally had NO ties to Russian (Gov't.), had never met or spoken to Putin before becoming Prez. ONLY ties to Russian COMPANIES were strictly business - hello?!

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Old February 21st, 2017, 07:32 AM   #3
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You just may be putting too much stock in the FAKE NEWS crowd. Trump personally had NO ties to Russian (Gov't.), had never met or spoken to Putin before becoming Prez. ONLY ties to Russian COMPANIES were strictly business - hello?!

Interesting....I suppose you have private information to dispute what Trump himself said on the Letterman show and his son has stated many times. It would be a good Idea for you and your man crush to avoid calling documented and proven news "Fake"
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Interesting....I suppose you have private information to dispute what Trump himself said on the Letterman show and his son has stated many times. It would be a good Idea for you and your man crush to avoid calling documented and proven news "Fake"
I don't watch Letterman. He said he had contact with Russian gov't officials BEFORE the election? That is not what I've heard from his own two lips; heard opposite.

Please provide video link - thanks!
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I don't watch Letterman. He said he had contact with Russian gov't officials BEFORE the election? That is not what I've heard from his own two lips; heard opposite.

Please provide video link - thanks!
If you actually believe what Trump "Says" vs. what he has said and done after all the documented and obvious untruths or "Alternative Facts" constantly coming forth, then I cannot provide data you will accept above what you have decided. All this "Fake News" as you folks have termed it at his command is generally actual proven data in the world outside our own.

The ease with which he has pulled this off in this country is disturbing.
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If you actually believe what Trump "Says" vs. what he has said and done after all the documented and obvious untruths or "Alternative Facts" constantly coming forth, then I cannot provide data you will accept above what you have decided. All this "Fake News" as you folks have termed it at his command is generally actual proven data in the world outside our own.

The ease with which he has pulled this off in this country is disturbing.
So no video?

Some things simply need to be seen to believed!
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Old February 21st, 2017, 09:02 AM   #7
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A little birdy told me the video is old (like 2013) where he was on Letterman discussing his business ventures in Russia. But had little to do with the Russian gov't. or politics!

Glad to clear up the confusion.
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A little birdy told me the video is old (like 2013) where he was on Letterman discussing his business ventures in Russia. But had little to do with the Russian gov't. or politics!

Glad to clear up the confusion.
I see....so when anyone but Trump has done something or said something in the past it is taken seriously? Why does he get a pass but Obama is a freakin' Muslim?
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• When Thomas Roberts of MSNBC asked Trump, "Do you have a relationship with Vladimir Putin? A conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his government?" Trump responded, "I do have a relationship, and I can tell you that he's very interested in what we're doing here today. He's probably very interested in what you and I am saying today, and I'm sure he's going to be seeing it in some form." --*interview, November, 2013"

Donald Trump gets a Full Flop for whether he's had a relationship to Vladimir Putin | PolitiFact
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I see....so when anyone but Trump has done something or said something in the past it is taken seriously? Why does he get a pass but Obama is a freakin' Muslim?
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• When Thomas Roberts of MSNBC asked Trump, "Do you have a relationship with Vladimir Putin? A conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his government?" Trump responded, "I do have a relationship, and I can tell you that he's very interested in what we're doing here today. He's probably very interested in what you and I am saying today, and I'm sure he's going to be seeing it in some form." --*interview, November, 2013"

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Now YOU are changing the bar! We were discussing a Letterman interview!
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Now YOU are changing the bar! We were discussing a Letterman interview!
Actually, you should be well aware of the topic as you initiated it:

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You just may be putting too much stock in the FAKE NEWS crowd. Trump personally had NO ties to Russian (Gov't.), had never met or spoken to Putin before becoming Prez. ONLY ties to Russian COMPANIES were strictly business - hello?!
The letterman comment was but a small part of my reply to it and has since been followed by further data you have decided to ignore because you do not like it....at least you didn't call it "Fake". Hopefully you eventually understand why I tend to leave discussions with you and try to stay on topic instead of picking a sideline to run with, until then.....

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When Trump built a tower in Panama, his clients were wealthy Russians, the Washington Post reported. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008, according to a trade publication, eTurboNews.
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When Trump built a tower in Panama, his clients were wealthy Russians, the Washington Post reported. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008, according to a trade publication, eTurboNews.
There is very good reason for his refusal of transparency concerning tax returns.....it would probably get him fired.
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When Trump built a tower in Panama, his clients were wealthy Russians, the Washington Post reported. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008, according to a trade publication, eTurboNews.
So what? Business is business.
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There is very good reason for his refusal of transparency concerning tax returns.....it would probably get him fired.
I doubt it - seriously.
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I doubt it - seriously.
I'm sure you do....just as you likely doubt Trump did anything he is accused of or been shown to have done by "Fake News".
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I'm sure you do....just as you likely doubt Trump did anything he is accused of or been shown to have done by "Fake News".
I'd like to know in actuality what he is formally being accused of.
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I'd like to know in actuality what he is formally being accused of.

I find it very unlikely you actually do, as a simple internet search would provide the data you request and thus I see no point in providing said data for you. I typed on "Trump Official Accusations" and got more hits than our server can handle.
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I find it very unlikely you actually do, as a simple internet search would provide the data you request and thus I see no point in providing said data for you. I typed on "Trump Official Accusations" and got more hits than our server can handle.
Ummm..... it would have to be "Trump Official CHARGES", as anyone and their brother can make accusations, but ONLY prosecutors can make official charges.

Using the CORRECT search, only four (4) items come up. Two of them are about "charges dropped" one is about charges NOT being pressed, and the 4th one was not about charges against at all (a comma in between 2 of the words).

SEE for yourself!:

https://www.google.com/#q=%22Trump+official+charges%22

Glad to settle this, and totally nullify the FAKE news!
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Ummm..... it would have to be "Trump Official CHARGES", as anyone and their brother can make accusations, but ONLY prosecutors can make official charges.

Using the CORRECT search, only four (4) items come up. Two of them are about "charges dropped" one is about charges NOT being pressed, and the 4th one was not about charges against at all (a comma in between 2 of the words).

SEE for yourself!:

https://www.google.com/#q=%22Trump+official+charges%22

Glad to settle this, and totally nullify the FAKE news!
Interesting.....then why did you ask this?

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Of course...regardless of what is provided you will call it "fake news" so why bother.
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Interesting.....then why did you ask this?



Of course...regardless of what is provided you will call it "fake news" so why bother.

I asked, because I was perplexed at not hearing about any actual charges myself, yet you mentioned there were indeed some. Really wanted to know what they were, if indeed true.

No, would NOT call real news fake, if indeed it was clear/obvious it was real.
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