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Old March 29th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #21
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Your emotional reaction is not worthy of a rational intellect.

I dare say that if I made similar comments about Russia or China or Nazi Germany, you would be emotionally neutral about it. So why get your knickers in knots when it is a question of the USA?
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I would hope the first sentence would have made it very clear that this is my country...why would I have bothered otherwise.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 04:24 PM   #22
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I would hope the first sentence would have made it very clear that this is my country...why would I have bothered otherwise.
Numan seems clueless.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #23
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Numan seems clueless.
Is that glass wall cracked yet?
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Old March 29th, 2017, 04:44 PM   #24
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My good ol' homeland is Minkowski space-time, and I've never left it ---- as far as I know! ---

I am a citizen of the world [kosmopolites], and everywhere is home to me.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 04:59 PM   #25
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Is that glass wall cracked yet?
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Old March 30th, 2017, 01:04 AM   #26
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The fact you do not understand my comment verifies its accuracy.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 04:18 AM   #27
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The fact you do not understand my comment verifies its accuracy.
Well then there now.

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Old March 30th, 2017, 04:40 AM   #28
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Well then there now.
I believe he is saying that you are throwing a stone at your neighbor's glass house, while too living in your very own glass house and he is wondering if in doing so, have you cracked any of your own walls.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 04:56 AM   #29
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I believe he is saying that you are throwing a stone at your neighbor's glass house, while too living in your very own glass house and he is wondering if in doing so, have you cracked any of your own walls.
Thanks, but I'm a literal person, so figurativespeak is not that effective with me.

Also, had he said "glass house" rather than "glass wall", it may have been better received.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 05:02 AM   #30
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Thanks, but I'm a literal person, so figurativespeak is not that effective with me.

Also, had he said "glass house" rather than "glass wall", it may have been better received.
Your lack of creative thought may very well underlie the general inability to grasp complex communication.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 05:34 AM   #31
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Your lack of creative thought may very well underlie the general inability to grasp complex communication.
"Complex" and "beating around the bush" are two different animals.






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Old April 2nd, 2017, 03:37 PM   #32
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When I was in high school, in an access of enthusiasm [enthusiasm! always dangerous!] for ancient symbolism, I laboriously drew a swastika on a placard and tacked it up in my room. A Jewish friend went ballistic when he saw it.

I very reasonably noted that it was not at all like the Nazi swastika, since it was four-square, and not in rotation, and that it was oriented counter-clockwise, and not deasil, like the Nazi tetraskelion. Surely he knew that it was a revered symbol among Native Americans and in Japan, China and India?

Somehow, none of my instruction improved his mood.

But that was long ago. I am wiser now, and no longer unintentionally offend people.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 03:46 PM   #33
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When I was in high school, in an access of enthusiasm [enthusiasm! always dangerous!] for ancient symbolism, I laboriously drew a swastika on a placard and tacked it up in my room. A Jewish friend went ballistic when he saw it.

I very reasonably noted that it was not at all like the Nazi swastika, since it was four-square, and not in rotation, and that it was oriented counter-clockwise, and not deasil, like the Nazi tetraskelion. Surely he knew that it was a revered symbol among Native Americans and in Japan, China and India?

Somehow, none of my instruction improved his mood.

But that was long ago. I am wiser now, and no longer unintentionally offend people.
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When I was in band in JHS (in Canada), I put a big black swastika in permanent marker on the (red) end of my cornet mute (I don't even know why). Nobody EVER questioned it.
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Old April 5th, 2017, 04:21 PM   #34
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So what if Spanish becomes a second language along with English? Educated and cultured people consider knowing a second language to be a plus, not a minus.

And why this obsession with assimilation? Why in Heaven's name must everyone "assimilate"? Are Americans punctilious about assimilating with other cultures when they go to live overseas?

Life is not necessarily easy for people when they are thrust into a different language and a different culture. I, for one, am willing to cut them a little slack. Go live in Japan or Germany, and see if you assimilate completely! At times, I suspect that you may sink so low as to have a craving for a hamburger and a chocolate shake! Perhaps also, a craving for a little conversation in English.

In this century, national cultures will explode over the world in multitudinous and complex diasporas, much like the Diaspora of the Jews. If people think that they can stop this process, they are just as foolish as King Canute commanding the tide to turn back. People must get used to living cheek-by-jowl with other cultures, and they would be wise to learn how to get along with each other.

The true glory of the Jews is not their fossil, Bronze Age religion, but rather, the Diaspora. If there is any hope in the future for preserving human variety, it lies in the human race following the Jews into many diasporas. Only in that way can people live all over the globe and still preserve their national cultures. The Jews can feel justly proud of pioneering this way of life.

Unfortunately, with that historic sense of bad timing for which the Jews seem to have such a talent, too many Jews have sold their true birthright for the pottage of an outdated, national homeland. I hope that finally the Zionists will come to their senses, and re-join the rest of the human race in the coming Diaspora of the Nations.
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Old April 5th, 2017, 04:30 PM   #35
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Coming? How do you figure?

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Old April 5th, 2017, 04:51 PM   #36
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To repeat:

We do not live in an agricultural feudal era, but rather, in a post-industrial Information Age. Messages flash from one end of the globe to the other in a fraction of a second; we can travel to the antipodes faster and in greater comfort than a royal messenger could ride from Paris to Provence in Old France. Welcome to the Global Village!

Already, the nation-state is pretty obsolete. The Roman Empire, for a long time, preserved the forms of the Republic, but the practice of power was utterly different. Likewise, we preserve the forms of the Old Constitution, but the National Security State and the military-industrial conspiracy render the real situation utterly different from anything envisioned by the Founding Fathers. I will not regard the passing of the present system with any regret.

The nation-state was essentially a creature of the 19th and 20th centuries. It scarcely existed before then, and is even now passing away in this century. I suppose it may continue to have some use as a postal code.

In the Middle Ages, there were a couple of centers of pan-European power: the Empire and the Church. Otherwise, all the other centers of significant power existed below the level of the nation-state.

In our time, we see the fanning out of national cultures all over the globe, in intricate networks of associations. We see innumerable supra-national organizations and informal groups. Concomitantly, various groupings below the level of the nation are gathering power and influence; one thinks of Bretons and Ocitans in France, Basques and Catalonians in Spain, Scots and Welsh in Britain.

All of these are inexorably drawing power away from the obsolete nation-state.

I live in a small city which contains an incredible number of clubs, cliques, associations and action groups. I marvel at the intricate, shifting, dynamic network which they form; yet my city is not a warring, chaotic mess. On the whole, it functions pretty well. What is true of my city can be true of the new world which we are entering. It may degenerate into chaos, but it is not inevitable that it do so.
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Old April 5th, 2017, 05:01 PM   #37
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Having fallen off a cliff, is it self-fulfilling prophesy to think that one will hit the ground?

Having ingested poison, is it a self-fulfilling prophesy to think that one's life is in danger? Rather than hoping that it wasn't poison after all, it might be better to start looking for antidotes.

If it is true that the American political system has passed a point of no return, it will do no good to hope that "it really isn't so." It might be better to start thinking about what one can salvage from the mess, and start planning for the future.

Sounds a bit like Haiti, doesn't it?

Perhaps most Americans are like the survivors of the earthquake --- walking about in a daze, unable to believe that what has happened is real.

P.S. Don't expect much help from the people who are in power; they will be too busy hijacking the relief supplies and selling them for a profit.
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Without going on an anti-America rant, I think we can all agree the Republic is terminal. 2 of the last 3 presidents were elected DESPITE the electorate. Congress hasn't actually functioned as anything other than a soapbox for most of a decade, a fact highlighted by it's inability to pass laws despite 1 party rule. Revolutionary politics, both left and right (The right being represented by 2!) have become mainstream with militants fanning the flames. Rebel militias, long hot air, have started to take more aggressive and violent measures. States, without regard to political concerns, have started (since 2010 if we're being honest) to agitate for greater sovereignty with outright independence being mainstream in the 2 most populous states. Armed conflict with the tribal nations, long at peace with European America, is again an increasing occurrence. I can go on.

We're 1 major politically motivated riot and an incorrect government response (be it too little or overbearing) from descending into civil war. That's not hysteria talking, how many socialists on fascist on "moderates" violence did we see during the campaign? It's only gotten worse (with racial and sectarian overtones) since.

Americans need to take a long good look in the mirror and make an honest assessment. Otherwise we'll blindly walk into a powder keg holding a match then wonder why everything is on fire.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 05:34 AM   #39
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Without going on an anti-America rant, I think we can all agree the Republic is terminal. 2 of the last 3 presidents were elected DESPITE the electorate. Congress hasn't actually functioned as anything other than a soapbox for most of a decade, a fact highlighted by it's inability to pass laws despite 1 party rule. Revolutionary politics, both left and right (The right being represented by 2!) have become mainstream with militants fanning the flames. Rebel militias, long hot air, have started to take more aggressive and violent measures. States, without regard to political concerns, have started (since 2010 if we're being honest) to agitate for greater sovereignty with outright independence being mainstream in the 2 most populous states. Armed conflict with the tribal nations, long at peace with European America, is again an increasing occurrence. I can go on.

We're 1 major politically motivated riot and an incorrect government response (be it too little or overbearing) from descending into civil war. That's not hysteria talking, how many socialists on fascist on "moderates" violence did we see during the campaign? It's only gotten worse (with racial and sectarian overtones) since.

Americans need to take a long good look in the mirror and make an honest assessment. Otherwise we'll blindly walk into a powder keg holding a match then wonder why everything is on fire.
You are quite laughable!

You mind reader wannabe.

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Old April 6th, 2017, 11:06 AM   #40
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Having fallen off a cliff, is it self-fulfilling prophesy to think that one will hit the ground?

Having ingested poison, is it a self-fulfilling prophesy to think that one's life is in danger? Rather than hoping that it wasn't poison after all, it might be better to start looking for antidotes.

If it is true that the American political system has passed a point of no return, it will do no good to hope that "it really isn't so." It might be better to start thinking about what one can salvage from the mess, and start planning for the future.

Sounds a bit like Haiti, doesn't it?

Perhaps most Americans are like the survivors of the earthquake --- walking about in a daze, unable to believe that what has happened is real.

P.S. Don't expect much help from the people who are in power; they will be too busy hijacking the relief supplies and selling them for a profit.
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There seems to be no method to your madness. Our two-party system is intact, last time I checked.
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