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Old May 10th, 2017, 06:40 AM   #1
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The thread for posterities sake.

I have been watching with fear as the United States is slowly transformed and wish to place a warning prediction and bookmark in place at this point that it can be reviewed as this takes place. Over the last few months the systems put in place by our Constitution and society have been degraded or eliminated through what seems systematic and well planned orchestrated actions. Our three tiered government has been coopted and only one aspect remains free of this influence. I expect this (the Judiciary) to be the next target and the only agent to prevent it has now been castrated.
With the removal of the FBI from this equation Donald Trump is now free to do as he pleases and after convincing a large enough part of the population to ignore the free press there will be no checks at all to maintain balance. I personally expect some form of totalitarian government within the next decade at this rate and place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the American citizenry as we are watching and allowing this to happen.

Likely, the Chicken Little" analogy will shortly come into play in some way to derail and ignore the realities this thread represents and this will be an excellent example of what I refer to.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 06:46 AM   #2
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Apparently you were asleep the entire tire Obama was in charge!
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Old May 10th, 2017, 06:53 AM   #3
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Apparently you were asleep the entire tire Obama was in charge!
exactly.

why are you only seeing this change now when it was clearly happening during Obamas reign?

you didn't see the executive actions happening then?

Didn't see him place liberal judges at the circuit court level to push through anything he wanted unfettered?

Didn't see him push a partisan bill with no support from opponents that the MAJORITY of the population was against?
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:03 AM   #4
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Apparently you were asleep the entire tire Obama was in charge!
Obama did not:

1) Degrade the free press.
2) Degrade the Judiciary.
3) Fire the FBI director and AG.
4) Fill his cabinet with financial champions and the religious right.
5) Denigrate intelligence services.
6) Convince half of America he should be given free reign and then started using it.

This list goes on and on....but please continue deflecting away from my points as it solidifies them quite well.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:17 AM   #5
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Obama did not:

1) Degrade the free press.
Wrong.


New York Times Executive Editor Jill Abramson:
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This is the most secretive White House that I have ever been involved in covering, and that includes — I spent 22 years of my career in Washington and covered presidents from President Reagan on up through now, and I was Washington bureau chief of the Times during George W. Bush’s first term.
I dealt directly with the Bush White House when they had concerns that stories we were about to run put the national security under threat. But, you know, they were not pursuing criminal leak investigations. The Obama administration has had seven criminal leak investigations. That is more than twice the number of any previous administration in our history. It’s on a scale never seen before. This is the most secretive White House that, at least as a journalist, I have ever dealt with.
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the Committee to Protect Journalists released a report titled “The Obama Administration and the Press,” which began with this paragraph:
"U.S. President came into office pledging open government, but he has fallen short of his promise. Journalists and transparency advocates say the White House curbs routine disclosure of information and deploys its own media to evade scrutiny by the press. Aggressive prosecution of leakers of classified information and broad electronic surveillance programs deter government sources from speaking to journalists."
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A brand new Politico poll of White House correspondents finds:
(1) 65% of reporters say that Obama is the least press-friendly president they’ve ever seen
(2) 78% of White House reporters believe “President Obama dislikes the press”
(3) 63% of the reporters have literally never asked Obama a question at any press conference
(4) 58% say they’ve never spoken to anyone at the White House other than a flack on the White House press team
(5) 5 times more reporters believe that Obama is becoming less and less open with the press than believe he’s getting more transparent with time
Obama Is More Hostile Towards The Press Than Any President In History
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:18 AM   #6
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what all the above did was create a sycophant press to Obama. you boot-lick or no questions and no story for you.

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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:18 AM   #7
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Obama did not:

1) Degrade the free press.
2) Degrade the Judiciary.
3) Fire the FBI director and AG.
4) Fill his cabinet with financial champions and the religious right.
5) Denigrate intelligence services.
6) Convince half of America he should be given free reign and then started using it.

This list goes on and on....but please continue deflecting away from my points as it solidifies them quite well.
1) Exactly what actions "suppressed" the press??? With the massive amount of press outlets these days, how could it possibly be?

2) How? By appointing a super qualified Judge?

3) 100% his right to fire one with GOOD reason; his credibility has been greatly diminished, and was a "what took so long?" moment.

4) Is this actually bad?

5) Examples?

6) LOL!!! Pure fiction. NOBODY wants that.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:22 AM   #8
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Veteran New York Times reporter James Risen said:
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[The Obama administration is] the greatest enemy of press freedom that we have encountered in at least a generation.

[The administration wants to] narrow the field of national security reporting to create a path for accepted reporting.

[Anyone journalist who exceeds those parameters] will be punished.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:29 AM   #9
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After the New York Times published a 2012 story by David E. Sanger about covert cyberattacks by the United States and Israel against Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities, federal prosecutors and the FBI questioned scores of officials throughout the government who were identified in computer analyses of phone, text and e-mail records as having contact with Sanger.
“A memo went out from the chief of staff a year ago to White House employees and the intelligence agencies that told people to freeze and retain any e-mail, and presumably phone logs, of communications with me,” Sanger said. As a result, longtime sources no longer talk to him. “They tell me: ‘David, I love you, but don’t e-mail me. Let’s don’t chat until this blows over.’ ”
Sanger, who has worked for the Times in Washington for two decades, said, “This is most closed, control-freak administration I’ve ever covered.”
these stories that do not make the press anymore. only Obama sycophants are left at the MSM.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:31 AM   #10
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“Whenever I’m asked what is the most manipulative and secretive administration I’ve covered, I always say it’s the one in office now,” Bob Schieffer, CBS News anchor and chief Washington correspondent, told me.

(Quote taken during Obama's reign)
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:56 AM   #11
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“Whenever I’m asked what is the most manipulative and secretive administration I’ve covered, I always say it’s the one in office now,” Bob Schieffer, CBS News anchor and chief Washington correspondent, told me.

(Quote taken during Obama's reign)
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Old May 11th, 2017, 03:34 AM   #12
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these stories that do not make the press anymore. only Obama sycophants are left at the MSM.
Probably because the press tends to report CURRENT news and thus has its hands full, they also do not sideline discussions concerning Trump by bringing up Obama, Clinton, or even Lassie.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 04:21 AM   #13
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to sideline the discussion would be to take it a completely different direction. I did not.

What I did do was show that the first item on your list was incorrect.

I don't blame you for not being aware of the items I posted. They simply got brushed under the rug by media pre-2017.

That said, examine them for truth.



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Obama did not:

1) Degrade the free press.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 04:35 AM   #14
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to sideline the discussion would be to take it a completely different direction. I did not.

What I did do was show that the first item on your list was incorrect.

I don't blame you for not being aware of the items I posted. They simply got brushed under the rug by media pre-2017.

That said, examine them for truth.
Okay...an accurate and true article. Now, care to discuss the actual thread?
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Old May 11th, 2017, 06:27 AM   #15
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He fired Jim Comey. Prior to the election, many Democrats wanted him fired.

1) If you presume guilt in regards to "Russian ties" then that would have the potential to look bad.

2) If you don't presume guilt in regards to "Russian ties" then it doesn't have significant meaning.

So far I have seen zero evidence that there are Russian ties with Trump.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 07:10 AM   #16
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He fired Jim Comey. Prior to the election, many Democrats wanted him fired.

1) If you presume guilt in regards to "Russian ties" then that would have the potential to look bad.

2) If you don't presume guilt in regards to "Russian ties" then it doesn't have significant meaning.

So far I have seen zero evidence that there are Russian ties with Trump.
And the Comey firing makes it lass likely you ever will. However, when this action is taken in context with Comey asking for more resources to ramp up the investigation, Trump staffers and appointees lying about Russian contact, Trumps "Interesting" admiration and affection for Putin, previous comments from the Trump organization on Russian financial ties and many other things...it all stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it, even Trump.
If there is nothing to all this then Trump could immediately clear it all up and he does not do the ONE thing he could to do so, COOPERATE. Have you ever stopped licking his boots long enough to consider this very simple fact?

Now you can say "Why would he provide the information that would hurt him?

And I ask....why would it hurt him?
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And the Comey firing makes it lass likely you ever will. However, when this action is taken in context with Comey asking for more resources to ramp up the investigation, Trump staffers and appointees lying about Russian contact, Trumps "Interesting" admiration and affection for Putin, previous comments from the Trump organization on Russian financial ties and many other things...it all stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it, even Trump.
If there is nothing to all this then Trump could immediately clear it all up and he does not do the ONE thing he could to do so, COOPERATE. Have you ever stopped licking his boots long enough to consider this very simple fact?

Now you can say "Why would he provide the information that would hurt him?

And I ask....why would it hurt him?
Context or coincidence?; could be either one! This was a LONG time coming; did not just happen the day before!

He was ambivalent, but the A.G. and A.A.G. apparently knocked him (Trump) off the fence.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 08:54 AM   #18
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And the Comey firing makes it lass likely you ever will. However, when this action is taken in context with Comey asking for more resources to ramp up the investigation, Trump staffers and appointees lying about Russian contact, Trumps "Interesting" admiration and affection for Putin, previous comments from the Trump organization on Russian financial ties and many other things...it all stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it, even Trump.
If there is nothing to all this then Trump could immediately clear it all up and he does not do the ONE thing he could to do so, COOPERATE. Have you ever stopped licking his boots long enough to consider this very simple fact?

Now you can say "Why would he provide the information that would hurt him?

And I ask....why would it hurt him?

You mean it wouldn't if hurt him if he is not guilty? unless you consider the spin the MSM and mindless dems put on literally everything he does.

Even when he does what they wanted done (like the firing Comey) they spin it like it is Watergate instead of the obvious. So basically, you haven't provided any evidence that he is not cooperating, but frankly why would he?

there is no fairness or justice in today's politics. it is political war.
the repubs are just wising up to that fact that the dems have known for quite a while.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 12:48 PM   #19
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America has been an increasingly totalitarian society ever since World War II.

And the Mass Media are certainly not a "free press", since ownership of the media outlets has been concentrated into a pathetically small handful of corporations.

You are correct, though, that control of the judiciary is the next step in making the USA even more fascist.
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America has been an increasingly totalitarian society ever since World War II.

And the Mass Media are certainly not a "free press", since ownership of the media outlets has been concentrated into a pathetically small handful of corporations.

You are correct, though, that control of the judiciary is the next step in making the USA even more fascist.
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Pure & absolute:

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