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Old August 15th, 2017, 06:24 AM   #1
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the north and south kissed and made up




you see a lot of manufactured rage by millennial fools who want their civil rights moment. The problem is that already passed. institutional racism is gone and dead. So they tear down statues and protest racism that doesn't exist. Many probably have very little idea of the historic context of the statues.


For historical reference...

In 1938, veterans from the north and south got together and made up. They agreed to move on.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce5WpM-JMYg

So why the outrage over monuments to that era today?

It is a fire stoked by the left and MSM who relish the idea that race-baiting can move more against Trump and GOP.

What will they do if they actually start a race war though?

Call the police they trashed for 8 years? or call their GOP relatives that are armed and skilled at defense?

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Old August 15th, 2017, 09:24 AM   #2
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It has nothing to do with millennials. The South boomed in the 60's, bringing northerners down looking for economic and educational opportunities. Those Northerners had kids. Those kids, with Northern parents and surrounded by fellow Northern immigrants grew up Northern but had Southern connections. Some of those Northern 'Southerners' ran for political office.

Northerners have long lamented that they won the war but failed to kill Southern nationalism (you can see the truth of this when the rhetoric slips and they go from lamenting rasism to wondering why we defend symbols of a defeated nation). Now being in a position of power in the South, they work to erase Southern identity (and it oftentimes has nothing to do with the CSA itself [becuase it's not really about racism], see the change of the Floridian anthem) and Southerners, naturally, resist.

Enter the White Nationalists, They don't give a shit about Southern nationalism (the recent terrorist attack was perpetrated by an Ohioan) BUT nationalism is at some fundamental level the same across the board. By attaching themselves to events such as the Charleville rally, they can seemingly inflate their numbers and increase the volume of their voices making their message mainstream even if they themselves aren't. That their ideology justifies the rechtic of the Northerners means nothing as they aren't Southern nationalists themselves and indeed is a boon as the more Southern reactions that Northern repression triggers, the more opportunities they have to play parasite.

The Northerners get the same sort of bandwagoning (albeit with less sinister motivations) and you end up with mass protests and rioting at events that should only be attracting government officials and a few hundred students of Southern history.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 10:06 AM   #3
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It has nothing to do with millennials. The South boomed in the 60's, bringing northerners down looking for economic and educational opportunities. Those Northerners had kids. Those kids, with Northern parents and surrounded by fellow Northern immigrants grew up Northern but had Southern connections. Some of those Northern 'Southerners' ran for political office.

those "kids" are millennials.

They are growing up purposeless. many don't know what the civil war was, they just know it is now a social justice fight with a reward at the end. they create purpose based on a steady diet of Hollywood-MSM-leftism. they are rewarded for performing acts of social justice like:

-yelling slurs to cops
-tearing down public property
-setting a US flag on fire

in my opinion, they are the damned.


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BUT nationalism is at some fundamental level the same across the board.
Could you say the same thing about muslims? that is to say:
"islamism is at some fundamental level the same across the board." ?


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Old August 15th, 2017, 10:40 AM   #4
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those "kids" are millennials.

They are growing up purposeless. many don't know what the civil war was, they just know it is now a social justice fight with a reward at the end. they create purpose based on a steady diet of Hollywood-MSM-leftism. they are rewarded for performing acts of social justice like:

-yelling slurs to cops
-tearing down public property
-setting a US flag on fire

in my opinion, they are the damned.

That's Gen Z. Millennials are hardly kids anymore and the 'kids' I speak of are the Gen X offspring of baby boomers. So maybe read what's written and not what you wish to read?

Could you say the same thing about muslims? that is to say:
"islamism is at some fundamental level the same across the board." ?
Well ya, they're all Muslims. That doesn't mean the local convenience store owner and the idiot blowing himself up in Baghdad are of the same mind.

I swear, the longer Trump is in office the dumber and lazier his apologists get.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 10:51 AM   #5
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That's Gen Z. Millennials are hardly kids anymore and the 'kids' I speak of are the Gen X offspring of baby boomers. So maybe read what's written and not what you wish to read?
the "kids" in the photo, of this thread I created are millennials.

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Well ya, they're all Muslims. That doesn't mean the local convenience store owner and the idiot blowing himself up in Baghdad are of the same mind.

I swear, the longer Trump is in office the dumber and lazier his apologists get.
so it stands to reason a pro-nationalist, trump supporter and a white supremacist are not of the same mind.

thinking is hard. do it anyway.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 03:18 PM   #6
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the "kids" in the photo, of this thread I created are millennials.



so it stands to reason a pro-nationalist, trump supporter and a white supremacist are not of the same mind.

thinking is hard. do it anyway.
They are when walking around with swastikas and Sig hailing. **** off.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 03:36 PM   #7
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I prefer this calms down a bit.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 04:07 PM   #8
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In 1938, veterans from the north and south got together and made up. They agreed to move on.

I don't see any black faces in that photograph. ---

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Old August 23rd, 2017, 06:38 AM   #9
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSW0id36FA

now its not only confederate but ANY history that offends, including Christopher Columbus.


This is the left. This is their agenda.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 06:44 AM   #10
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notice the similarities. a poisonous ideology cannot tolerate history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exKGHEjl-dE


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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

- George Orwell, 1984
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 09:53 AM   #11
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CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS

U.S. PUBLIC LAW 85-425
Confederate soldiers ,sailors, and Marines that fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Army/ Navy/ Marine Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans. Additionally, under U.S. Public Law 810, Approved by the 17th Congress on 26 Feb 1929 the War Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate grave sites as U.S. War dead grave sites. Just for the record the last Confederate veteran died in 1958. So, in essence, when you remove a Confederate statue, monument or headstone, you are in fact, removing a statue, monument or head stone of a U.S. VETERAN.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 10:18 AM   #12
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CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS

U.S. PUBLIC LAW 85-425
Confederate soldiers ,sailors, and Marines that fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Army/ Navy/ Marine Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans. Additionally, under U.S. Public Law 810, Approved by the 17th Congress on 26 Feb 1929 the War Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate grave sites as U.S. War dead grave sites. Just for the record the last Confederate veteran died in 1958. So, in essence, when you remove a Confederate statue, monument or headstone, you are in fact, removing a statue, monument or head stone of a U.S. VETERAN.
No...you are not, you are removing a statue or monument.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 10:41 AM   #13
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No...you are not, you are removing a statue or monument.
I suggest three quick refresher courses for you: Remedial Reading, US History, and Civics.

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Old August 23rd, 2017, 11:27 AM   #14
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I suggest three quick refresher courses for you: Remedial Reading, US History, and Civics.

Enjoy.
I suggest the same for you but with less vitriol:

"under U.S. Public Law 810, Approved by the 17th Congress on 26 Feb 1929 the War Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate grave sites as U.S. War dead grave sites. Just for the record the last Confederate veteran died in 1958."

These are not headstones or gravesites and were not erected by the war dept.
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Old August 24th, 2017, 12:17 PM   #15
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSW0id36FAwas round

now its not only confederate but ANY history that offends, including Christopher Columbus.


This is the left. This is their agenda.
Columbus isn't just offensive, it's bad history. Everyone knew the world was round, he never set foot in the Americas and the Norse had colonized Greenland and Newfoundland 500 years before.
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Columbus isn't just offensive, it's bad history. Everyone knew the world was round, he never set foot in the Americas and the Norse had colonized Greenland and Newfoundland 500 years before.


Columbus offends you? Are you one of those beautiful and unique snowflakes I hear about?

Do you dispute ANY of the facts he put forward...or do you simply like typing "Snowflake"
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Columbus offends you? Are you one of those beautiful and unique snowflakes I hear about?

Do you dispute ANY of the facts he put forward...or do you simply like typing "Snowflake"
Yes, a genocidal slaver with a holiday celebrating something that never even happened offends me both morally and as a history buff. Feel free to defend this BS if you wish, it'll be amusing if nothing else. I imagine you just spit out something without thinking it thru, maybe thinking I was a bandwagoner? Kidda stupid considering my previous post.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 05:03 AM   #18
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Columbus offends you? Are you one of those beautiful and unique snowflakes I hear about?

Do you dispute ANY of the facts he put forward...or do you simply like typing "Snowflake"

The portion in black was my actual quote. The portion in red was added, presumably by tecoyah...and presumably to show in a microcosmic way how fake news works.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 05:07 AM   #19
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Yes, a genocidal slaver with a holiday celebrating something that never even happened offends me both morally and as a history buff. Feel free to defend this BS if you wish, it'll be amusing if nothing else. I imagine you just spit out something without thinking it thru, maybe thinking I was a bandwagoner? Kidda stupid considering my previous post.
I take the approach that we know less than we think we do, on the account of not being there. but the reality and sticking point remains:

history is ugly and messy and does not fit nicely into the context of our present culture. it doesn't mean you destroy it. unless you are an Islamic extremist or "antfa" leftist.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 05:14 AM   #20
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Do you dispute ANY of the facts he put forward...or do you simply like typing "Snowflake"
In arguments, I dispute what I disagree with and I leave alone what I don't disagree with or with what I am relatively neutral about. search snowflake and see how many times I have called someone by that term. Even here I am asking if David is one, not calling him one.

I hope this provides an acceptable explanation of how , why and when I debate and allows you some peace of mind, relating to your defense of David.
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