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Old October 11th, 2017, 10:05 AM   #21
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The use of revisionist history MUST be employed by ANYONE complaining of the way WWII ended. One would need to forget not only what led to atomic use but the savage brutality and suicidal mindset of the Japanese, as well as the alternatives (invasion and firebombing) which would have created FAR more civilian casualties in Japan and America.
Just the firebombing of Tokyo before the bombs were dropped killed more Japanese and destroyed more property than the Atomic Bomb.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #22
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We also invited the Japanese (they refused) to the Trinity Test in hopes that they'd see the futility of continued war and surrender. We were never dead set on using them and our original target was Germany until Hitler did everyone a favor.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 01:59 PM   #23
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I've parsed the original 1st para of the article because it is just pure drivel...

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On this day in 1945 the United States exploded an atomic device that was the most efficient weapon [in] history. The blast killed tens of thousands of men, women and children. The Japanese had been on the verge of surrender. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had [significant] military significance. The explosions marked the culmination of three centuries of physics
The rest of the article is rather twee if its your thing then cuddle up to it and mope. BTW note to author.. any bozo can quote Freud and get it cosmically wrong try quoting Kant if you want morals or moral justice jeez even Bentham or Mills would have been acceptable but Freud?? Anyway sorry to pour cold water on it but the author needs to up his game a bit.

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Old October 11th, 2017, 05:02 PM   #24
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The defenders of the official brainwashing concerning the atomic bombings of Japan sedulously ignore the considered views of high officials in the government of the time.

To repeat:

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

----Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet


The 1946 United States Strategic Bombing Survey, written by Paul Nitze, concluded that the atomic bombs had been unnecessary to the winning of the war....Nitze reported : "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."


"Japan was already defeated and dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary.

"In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression, and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."
Those are not the words of a latter-day revisionist historian....They are the words of Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe and future president of the United States.

"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
----Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman


In the documentary The Fog of War, former U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara recalls that General Curtis LeMay, who relayed the Presidential order to drop nuclear bombs on Japan, said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals."

"And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?"
----Robert S. McNamara
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