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Old November 28th, 2017, 02:18 PM   #21
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The most obvious counterpart to the American Wrecker-in-Chief was Berlusconi in Italy.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 02:19 PM   #22
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The most obvious counterpart to the American Wrecker-in-Chief was Berlusconi in Italy.

Silvio Berlusconi is an Italian media mogul and former Prime Minister of Italy who owns the largest broadcasting company in that country, Mediaset. His promises to sell off his personal assets to avoid conflicts of interest were never fulfilled, which sparked controversy throughout his terms in office. Berlusconi is a controversial figure in modern Italian politics: his tenure as Prime Minister was racked with scandalous sex affairs and poor judgement and decision-making. These events were widely covered by the media, drawing outcry from many of his Italian contemporaries and worldwide counterparts.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 02:54 PM   #23
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The most obvious counterpart to the American Wrecker-in-Chief was Berlusconi in Italy.
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Hardly.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #24
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Tempting national suicide and starving your own people is not logical.
Knowing that the West's commitment to humanitarianism will prevent that and knowing the aid the West sends to prevent it will prop you up and provide a propaganda victory is very logical if you're not worried about the little guy. The advent of nukes is insurance against the West ever deciding war is a better deal than extortion. Everything NK does is calculated.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 03:29 PM   #25
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Knowing that the West's commitment to humanitarianism will prevent that and knowing the aid the West sends to prevent it will prop you up and provide a propaganda victory is very logical if you're not worried about the little guy. The advent of nukes is insurance against the West ever deciding war is a better deal than extortion. Everything NK does is calculated.
Basing your future on assumption is also illogical.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 03:32 PM   #26
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Basing your future on assumption is also illogical.
Thus the nukes. If NK seems illogical, it's only becuase we view government as being for and by the people. If you accept it as a mafia looking to enrich and perpetuate itself, it makes far more since.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 01:30 AM   #27
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If you accept it as a mafia looking to enrich and perpetuate itself, it makes far more since.
It seems that Americans (accepted this is a generalisation) seem to view the world as they think it should be rather than how it actually is. This is why you are getting yourselves into wars/situations which you find it difficult to extract yourselves from.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 05:10 AM   #28
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It seems that Americans (accepted this is a generalisation) seem to view the world as they think it should be rather than how it actually is. This is why you are getting yourselves into wars/situations which you find it difficult to extract yourselves from.
Relatively few parts, but ones ignored at the peril of the entire World.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 05:17 AM   #29
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Relatively few parts, but ones ignored at the peril of the entire World.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 05:32 AM   #30
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Old November 29th, 2017, 12:55 PM   #31
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Thus the nukes. If NK seems illogical, it's only becuase we view government as being for and by the people. If you accept it as a mafia looking to enrich and perpetuate itself, it makes far more since.
That is the error which most people here make --- to think that government is for and by the people. That is what makes it appear to be senseless.

The whole structure of American society makes far more sense if you "think of it as a Mafia looking to enrich and perpetuate itself."
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Old November 29th, 2017, 01:51 PM   #32
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That is the error which most people here make --- to think that government is for and by the people. That is what makes it appear to be senseless.

The whole structure of American society makes far more sense if you "think of it as a Mafia looking to enrich and perpetuate itself."
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Out in left field with that.
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Out in left field with that.
Think about it a little.... it'll come to you.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 02:22 PM   #34
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Think about it a little.... it'll come to you.
Lots of good its will come to me.
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That is the error which most people here make --- to think that government is for and by the people. That is what makes it appear to be senseless.

The whole structure of American society makes far more sense if you "think of it as a Mafia looking to enrich and perpetuate itself."
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Ya but America is the Romans trying to bend the world to it's will. NK is the Triad murdering, extorting, smuggling and slaving their way to the top.
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Ya but America is the Romans trying to bend the world to it's will. NK is the Triad murdering, extorting, smuggling and slaving their way to the top.
....which is exactly how the Romans expanded their empire...??
Or was that your point?
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....which is exactly how the Romans expanded their empire...??
Or was that your point?
My point is that the US is an all conquering empire while NK is gangland with no ambition beyond leadership's personal wealth. You don't want to be on the wrong side of either but they're not the same thing.
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My point is that the US is an all conquering empire while NK is gangland with no ambition beyond leadership's personal wealth. You don't want to be on the wrong side of either but they're not the same thing.
LOL!!! WHO was EVER conquered? (whereby we added to U.S. territory)
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LOL!!! WHO was EVER conquered? (whereby we added to U.S. territory)
Um, we didn't originally own 60% of the planet...
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Um, we didn't originally own 60% of the planet...
The land mass of 50 States plus a handful of territories is well under 60%!
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