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Old February 13th, 2018, 12:52 PM   #1
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House Speaker Paul Ryan, saying entitlement reform is essential to limiting budget deficits, criticized Sen. John McCain on Tuesday for voting last year against the repeal of Obamacare.

“The house has passed these bills, but John McCain said no instead of yes,” Ryan said during an exclusive interview with FOX Business’ Maria Baritromo on “Mornings with Maria.”

Last summer, McCain, R-Ariz., arrived on the Senate floor and gave a thumbs down to the bill, which ended up two votes short of the 51 needed to pass the legislation. Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska joined McCain in voted against the bill.

Paul Ryan calls out John McCain for torpedoing ObamaCare repeal: Exclusive | Fox Business
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Old February 13th, 2018, 01:08 PM   #2
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Old February 13th, 2018, 04:08 PM   #3
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What a douche. Even his own party called him an idiot for his unpatriotic showmanship.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 09:07 AM   #4
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Oh yeah-"entitlement reform" this coming from a devotee of And Rand that believes that all of the evil in the world originates from the takers. I'm not "entitled" to Medicare or to Social Security-its a EARNED benefit that I pay for. Stop taking the $$$ out of my check and then we can talk about entitlement. Did I mention that Ryan received SS benefits while still a teenager because his father passed away? I believe that evil entitlement also paid for his education. What a sleazy hypocrite. As far as Medicare I can't wait to see all the disabled and the nursing home residents out there cleaning streets and parks to satisfy the proposed work requirements. Maybe we can get them to bury the dead from the next school massacre-that would be quite the picture. What burns my ass about these guys-self professed good Christians is that I thought the whole Jesus shtick was predicated on how you treat the less fortunate, the sick and the elderly. If he made a return engagement they would be the first to feel his wrath. May a plague of biblical proportions visit their sorry assess.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 09:13 AM   #5
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I'm not "entitled" to Medicare or to Social Security-its a EARNED benefit that I pay for. Stop taking the $$$ out of my check and then we can talk about entitlement.
The problem is that you did not pay enough to get what you think you are entitled to. The other problem, is that the government did no invest your savings properly and cannot pay for the benefits which you think you are entitled.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 09:14 AM   #6
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I'm not "entitled" to Medicare or to Social Security-its a EARNED benefit that I pay for. Stop taking the $$$ out of my check and then we can talk about entitlement.
The problem is that you did not pay enough to get what you think you are entitled to. The other problem, is that the government did not invest your savings properly and cannot pay for the benefits which you think you are entitled.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 09:55 AM   #7
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Oh yeah-"entitlement reform" this coming from a devotee of And Rand that believes that all of the evil in the world originates from the takers.
just curious,

do you think that there are any people getting entitlements, that are not entitled to get them?
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Old February 15th, 2018, 10:20 AM   #8
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just curious,

do you think that there are any people getting entitlements, that are not entitled to get them?
Everyone knows there is massive fraud!
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Old February 15th, 2018, 10:20 AM   #9
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just curious,

do you think that there are any people getting entitlements, that are not entitled to get them?
This touches on a subject which irritates the hell out of me. The government provides various benefits. These benefits are paid for by us all. Now I may not agree that providing this benefit is a good idea in the long run because it promotes the wrong values. For example, it might encourage people not to work because those benefits make it possible for people not to work.

I may not believe that these benefits are a good idea. However, since I paid for them and am entitled to them, I would most likely accept them. That does not make me a hypocrite. If there is a provision in the tax code which allows me to legally save money, I will do it, even if I do not believe that provision is a good idea.

It means I play the hand I am dealt. To do otherwise is stupid. I play by the rules as written, not how I would like them to be written.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 10:28 AM   #10
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This touches on a subject which irritates the hell out of me. The government provides various benefits. These benefits are paid for by us all. Now I may not agree that providing this benefit is a good idea in the long run because it promotes the wrong values. For example, it might encourage people not to work because those benefits make it possible for people not to work.

I may not believe that these benefits are a good idea. However, since I paid for them and am entitled to them, I would most likely accept them. That does not make me a hypocrite. If there is a provision in the tax code which allows me to legally save money, I will do it, even if I do not believe that provision is a good idea.

It means I play the hand I am dealt. To do otherwise is stupid. I play by the rules as written, not how I would like them to be written.
I was the same way about ObamaCare. I was totally against it, but like they say, "you can't fight City Hall", and I took major advantage of it when I qualified for the MASSIVE subsidy and got massively awesome coverage for peanuts.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 10:45 AM   #11
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I was the same way about ObamaCare. I was totally against it, but like they say, "you can't fight City Hall", and I took major advantage of it when I qualified for the MASSIVE subsidy and got massively awesome coverage for peanuts.
We pay taxes we think are unjust. We accept benefits we think are unwise.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 11:04 AM   #12
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Massive fraud is what Democrats want. It is what gets them campaign money and votes.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 11:37 AM   #13
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When the government coerces me by penalty of law (withholding) to enter a contract (SS/Medicare) they are required to fulfill they're obligations just as I am. If they spend the money foolishly (deficit spending etc.) it is wrong on many levels for them to come back to me and cry poverty. Is there waste/fraud and abuse? Of course but it is but a fraction of the money spent. Even the much maligned Medicaid Program spends the vast majority of their $$$ on dependent children, the disabled and people in nursing homes. So you are saying it is a good thing that Ryan and his buddies can give massive tax cuts to the donor class but need to go after SS/Medicare/Medicaid to pay for it? I for one would have been okay if my taxes stayed the same and I'm in one of the much abused higher tax brackets.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 11:47 AM   #14
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When the government coerces me by penalty of law (withholding) to enter a contract (SS/Medicare) they are required to fulfill they're obligations just as I am. If they spend the money foolishly (deficit spending etc.) it is wrong on many levels for them to come back to me and cry poverty.
The problem with that argument is that the money comes from us, not from the government. In order to make up the deficit, they have to get more money from us. The deficit just keeps on going up and the unfunded obligations is not reflected in the deficit. The deficit is a lot bigger than advertised when those unfunded obligations are included.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 12:59 PM   #15
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Okay-but it still an obligation by the government to uphold their end of the contract. BTW do you guys think your overtaxed by the feds? I calculate my effective tax rate each year in 2 ways-first the overall tax rate including the SS/Medicare/Unemployment insurance withholding and then just with the federal tax. I suspect that I'm pretty typical with a couple of deductions-mortgage interest, church etc. and my effective federal tax rate is a long way from the income tax bracket that I started from. Oh yeah I also claim my dog and a useless co-worker as dependents also....On a broader scale I could make a pretty convincing argument that what we need is a tax increase instead of a big tax cut. Its not like there aren't any pressing problems facing the country that could use an infusion of cash. I believe that both the individual and corporate tax rates are the lowest they have been since the Regan administration.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 01:42 PM   #16
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Okay-but it still an obligation by the government to uphold their end of the contract.
That obligation might end up reducing the benefits as a way to make them last longer.

I entered the Air Force nearly sixty years ago. Later, I decided to stay in. I was told that I would get lifetime health care, if I made it to retirement. I retired nearly forty years ago. My health care is a long way from being free. . I realize the government cannot afford to provide the health care they promised. So, if you do not get the SS you were promised. Tough tittie.

By the way. I got nothing in writing. Also, you got nothing in writing saying you would receive Y dollars per month after age 65.

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Old February 15th, 2018, 02:19 PM   #17
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That obligation might end up reducing the benefits as a way to make them last longer.

I entered the Air Force nearly sixty years ago. Later, I decided to stay in. I was told that I would get lifetime health care, if I made it to retirement. I retired nearly forty years ago. My health care is a long way from being free. . I realize the government cannot afford to provide the health care they promised. So, if you do not get the SS you were promised. Tough tittie.

By the way. I got nothing in writing. Also, you got nothing in writing saying you would receive Y dollars per month after age 65.
Actually, I've received regular statements saying how much I would get if I started collecting at various ages.

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Old February 15th, 2018, 02:25 PM   #18
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Actually, I've received regular statements saying how much I would get if I stared collecting at various ages.
I never got anything like that.
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This touches on a subject which irritates the hell out of me. The government provides various benefits. These benefits are paid for by us all. Now I may not agree that providing this benefit is a good idea in the long run because it promotes the wrong values. For example, it might encourage people not to work because those benefits make it possible for people not to work.

I may not believe that these benefits are a good idea. However, since I paid for them and am entitled to them, I would most likely accept them. That does not make me a hypocrite. If there is a provision in the tax code which allows me to legally save money, I will do it, even if I do not believe that provision is a good idea.

It means I play the hand I am dealt. To do otherwise is stupid. I play by the rules as written, not how I would like them to be written.
This is why I advocate a dinocracy.
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