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Old June 13th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #41
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Don't take that as I purchase those services because I don't nor do I ever plan to- not really my thing. But some people always will, after all it is the world's oldest profession.
You are absolutly right, but the same can be said for every crime. That isnt a good argument, saying nobody is directly put in danger by prostitution, or that it doesn't breach the peace is the argument to have.

The statement above says the law isnt 100% effective so lets get rid of it, that is not a rational argument.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 08:55 PM   #42
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Really sad that this kind of thing is happening for years
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Old July 10th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #43
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You are absolutly right, but the same can be said for every crime. That isnt a good argument, saying nobody is directly put in danger by prostitution, or that it doesn't breach the peace is the argument to have.

The statement above says the law isnt 100% effective so lets get rid of it, that is not a rational argument.
Exactly
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Old August 10th, 2012, 03:41 AM   #44
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You are absolutly right, but the same can be said for every crime. That isnt a good argument, saying nobody is directly put in danger by prostitution, or that it doesn't breach the peace is the argument to have.

The statement above says the law isnt 100% effective so lets get rid of it, that is not a rational argument.
Agreed about the rational argument bit, but I still favor legalizing prostitution, drugs and other "vices" since making something illegal drives it underground and, therefore, beyond the purview of our government. Better to legalize it then regulate and tax it. The US experiment with prohibition of alcohol in 1919 led to the rise of a criminal empire in our nation. Making drugs illegal gave rise to the drug cartels. The US has spent 10-15 Billion dollars per year on the "drug war" for the past 40 years and the results are abysmal. Better to legalize it and tax it thereby undercutting the criminal element, exert better control over the use of drugs and, using the tax revenues, build free rehab centers for those who seek to use them.

Same goes for prostitution. It's going to happen, so why not control and tax it?
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Old September 14th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #45
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Prostitution isn't illegal in the UK, as far as I know. The practice is, I suppose, the ultimate form of capitalism, and it's pretty sick. Clearly the answers include making drugs legal and providing them, as we used to do, on the the NHS, so that people can get on with their useful lives instead of paying for them this way, prosecuting the people who make use of prostitutes rather than the prostitutes themselves, and working out a way for concerned people to provide sex as a useful social service for the inadequates who can't attract partners without using money.

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Agreed about the rational argument bit, but I still favor legalizing prostitution, drugs and other "vices" since making something illegal drives it underground and, therefore, beyond the purview of our government. Better to legalize it then regulate and tax it. The US experiment with prohibition of alcohol in 1919 led to the rise of a criminal empire in our nation. Making drugs illegal gave rise to the drug cartels. The US has spent 10-15 Billion dollars per year on the "drug war" for the past 40 years and the results are abysmal. Better to legalize it and tax it thereby undercutting the criminal element, exert better control over the use of drugs and, using the tax revenues, build free rehab centers for those who seek to use them.

Same goes for prostitution. It's going to happen, so why not control and tax it?
I agree 100% with legalization of drugs, not so we can tax it but because it is a choice, if booze is legal why not pot? Prostitution should be legal as well, any brothel should have to be licensed and inspected to keep them from abusing the prostitutes.

But just because people break the law doesn't justify eliminating the law. People will always kill each other, rape each other, steal each others money. The law is there to keep law abiding people law abiding. When the law is in place to protect peace or to coerce peace it is a just law. When it is there to protect virtue I don't see the point.
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It seems to me unlikely that anyone would want to make sex work except under powerful economic or other pressures: it would remove some of the better bits of life, surely. Those who want to make this a commercial matter seem to me pretty sick, but capitalism is that, isn't it?
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There is an industry (completely voluntary), based on sex, and the stimulation it can create. Many perform for the masses through video, that is quite a powerful and lucrative section of the economy. These folks do so based on a free market, and are not forced to do so...though there is an obvious financial aspect to it.
Prostitution is also (in my mind) a free market product, perhaps the purest example of it. Though economic pressures assuredly come into play, I doubt this is all there is to it.

To forbid the freedom to use ones skills, is to stifle individual freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

To Each their own.
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There is an industry (completely voluntary), based on sex, and the stimulation it can create. Many perform for the masses through video, that is quite a powerful and lucrative section of the economy. These folks do so based on a free market, and are not forced to do so...though there is an obvious financial aspect to it.
Prostitution is also (in my mind) a free market product, perhaps the purest example of it. Though economic pressures assuredly come into play, I doubt this is all there is to it.

To forbid the freedom to use ones skills, is to stifle individual freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

To Each their own.
Voluntary in the sense that it is better than starving to death or - more to the point - doing without the drugs living in capitalism requires? Nothing's free about wage slavery, you know, except the employer's right to cheat and the exploiter's right to be self-righteous.
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Voluntary in the sense that it is better than starving to death or - more to the point - doing without the drugs living in capitalism requires? Nothing's free about wage slavery, you know, except the employer's right to cheat and the exploiter's right to be self-righteous.
You can always go into business go your self.
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You can always go into business go your self.
Selling drugs, or organising prostitution? Not me, ta - I'm British.
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Selling drugs, or organising prostitution? Not me, ta - I'm British.
Or cleaning pools, cutting grass, washing windows.
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Or cleaning pools, cutting grass, washing windows.
I do those things anyway. You mean you want me to rob other people for doing them? No, ta - I lack that particular pervertion: I've seen too much of the results, colonialism, the holocaust as they call it, world wars and so on. I think we should just get together and look after one another like mere people.
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I do those things anyway. You mean you want me to rob other people for doing them? No, ta - I lack that particular pervertion: I've seen too much of the results, colonialism, the holocaust as they call it, world wars and so on. I think we should just get together and look after one another like mere people.
No, not rob them, trade, barter a good or service in exchange for a good or service. A voluntary equal transfer of value is not robbery. What does working have to do with war? You completely lost me in that nonsense.
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No, not rob them, trade, barter a good or service in exchange for a good or service. A voluntary equal transfer of value is not robbery. What does working have to do with war? You completely lost me in that nonsense.
When was there ever equal anything to do with exploiter-exploited relationships: the poor and decent get screwed, as you know. When did the rich ever work? Capitalism constantly gets the mugs to kill one another to increase profits, and if you don't know that it's time you read some modern history.
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When was there ever equal anything to do with exploiter-exploited relationships: the poor and decent get screwed, as you know. When did the rich ever work? Capitalism constantly gets the mugs to kill one another to increase profits, and if you don't know that it's time you read some modern history.
No buddy, I Am not talking about going and hassling poor people, go do services for rich people in exchange for money. History isn't involved
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No buddy, I Am not talking about going and hassling poor people, go do services for rich people in exchange for money. History isn't involved
Iolo doesn't understand the difference between the words 'capitalism' and 'economy'.
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Iolo doesn't understand the difference between the words 'capitalism' and 'economy'.
Or earn and rob.
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No buddy, I Am not talking about going and hassling poor people, go do services for rich people in exchange for money. History isn't involved
If any want hanging, be in touch. The value of a service or a commodity, by the way, depends on the work put into it, and it is sold at that price - from which the capitalists steals a high proportion to buy power over the mugs. I have always managed to do socially useful work, myself, and made enough to live comfortably even as I was robbed, but, then, I understand the system..

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If any want hanging, be in touch. The value of a service or a commodity, by the way, depends on the work put into it, and it is sold at that price - from which the capitalists steals a high proportion to buy power over the mugs. I have always managed to do socially useful work, myself, and made enough to live comfortably even as I was robbed, but, then, I understand the system..
All legitimate work is socially useful.
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