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Old March 8th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #1
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An American professor defends Stalin

The message below has been posted at our university forum. The author once accused me of spreading cold war propaganda (referring to my two books).

Ludwik Kowalski, author of "Diary of a Former Communist"

Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality

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” March 7 2013

To the Editor:

Istvan Deak’s review “Could Stalin Have Been Stopped?” (NYRB March 13 2013 - http://www.nybooks.c...…topped/?page=1) is filled with statements about Soviet history that are factually false. Here is a partial list:

* There was no “intentional killing by starvation of millions of Ukrainians” by Stalin. Every Western expert rejects the “Holodomor” myth, which originated with pro-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists in the 1950s.

* Stalin did not “shoot hundreds of thousands of imaginary political enemies in the later 1930s.” NKVD chief Nikolai Ezhov did so, as a part of his conspiracy against the Soviet government. In 1939-40 he and over a hundred of his top NKVD men were tried and executed for these horrific crimes.

* Stalin did not “attempt” to “eliminate much of the Polish leadership”. It was the Nazis who did so, in their “AB-Aktion.”

* There exists an important dispute over who shot the Poles in the murders known as the Katyn Massacre and good evidence that the Soviets shot some Polish POWs and the Germans later shot the rest.

* Stalin was not a “dictator.” He worked collaboratively with other Politburo members and was sometimes defeated. Stephen G. Wheatcroft has termed Stalin’s prewar method of rule “Team Stalin.”

* There were no “combined Nazi and Soviet invasions.” The Red Army did not “invade Poland” on September 17 1939. Abandoned by its government the Soviets had to prevent the German army from marching up to the existing Soviet border, something no country would have permitted. Winston Churchill said that the Soviets were right to do so.

* Though armed and equipped by the Soviet Union in 1941-42 the “anti-Nazi army formed by General Władysław Anders” refused to fight the Nazis until 1944.

* The Polish Home Army”, riddled with anti-Semitism, shot Jews escaping from the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943 and collaborated with the German army against the Red Army.

* American and British pilots were not “routinely denied landing rights” when “trying to help the Home Army.” They were denied such rights for a few weeks in August-September 1944 because, like General Władysław Anders, Stalin considered the Warsaw Uprising to be a crime against the Polish people.

* There is no evidence that the Soviets “massacred thousands of innocent” Poles.

A Hungarian, Deak fails to mention that Hungary invaded the Soviet Union side by side with Nazi Germany, and Hungarian forces murdered at least hundreds of thousands of innocent Soviet citizens, including many Jews.

Grover Furr, Montclair State University “
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Old March 8th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #2
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How is any of that false?
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Old March 9th, 2013, 05:26 AM   #3
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wild capitalism and globalism is not more harmless than stalin ,in my opinion..
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Old March 10th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #4
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This caught my attention as I am one of those ignorant Americans not totally schooled on Russian and East European history.

There is a lot of information here, from the link at the top the "Diary of a Former Communist:" (which I will read in full later) to the letter from "Grover Furr." Just as a way to dive into this, I took the first statement by Mr. Furr;

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* There was no “intentional killing by starvation of millions of Ukrainians” by Stalin. Every Western expert rejects the “Holodomor” myth, which originated with pro-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists in the 1950s.
and ran some key words of that through Google, see this link; Let me google that for you As you will note, there are "About 3,670,000 results" I got from this and right off the top, I can see Mr. Furr's statement that "Every Western expert rejects the “Holodomor” myth" is in error. Every western expert does NOT reject the Holodomor event(s).

In fairness, I will need to check into Mr. Furr's claim that it is a myth. However, as I am a person who determines things by the authenticity and weight of any evidence provided, his word alone, is not good enough.
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This caught my attention as I am one of those ignorant Americans not totally schooled on Russian and East European history.

There is a lot of information here, from the link at the top the "Diary of a Former Communist:" (which I will read in full later) to the letter from "Grover Furr." Just as a way to dive into this, I took the first statement by Mr. Furr;



and ran some key words of that through Google, see this link; Let me google that for you As you will note, there are "About 3,670,000 results" I got from this and right off the top, I can see Mr. Furr's statement that "Every Western expert rejects the “Holodomor” myth" is in error. Every western expert does NOT reject the Holodomor event(s).

In fairness, I will need to check into Mr. Furr's claim that it is a myth. However, as I am a person who determines things by the authenticity and weight of any evidence provided, his word alone, is not good enough.
This why you never make an absolute statement. Even if you're right, it only take 1 plausible contradiction to make you look like an idiot.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 08:02 AM   #6
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wild capitalism and globalism is not more harmless than stalin ,in my opinion..
An opinion that tells me you could be better informed concerning Stalin's policies. I can offer some great reads.
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This professor doesn't seem to be defending Stalin as much as being critical of Istvan Deak’s review. I must say though "* Stalin did not “shoot hundreds of thousands of imaginary political enemies in the later 1930s.” NKVD chief Nikolai Ezhov did so" is a ridiculous statement. Stalin's purge of military and policital opposition....or what he perceived as opposition is well documented.

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This professor doesn't seem to be defending Stalin as much as being critical of Istvan Deak’s review. I must say though "* Stalin did not “shoot hundreds of thousands of imaginary political enemies in the later 1930s.” NKVD chief Nikolai Ezhov did so" is a ridiculous statement. Stalin's purge of military and policital opposition....or what he perceived as opposition is well documented.
Well it's literally true..
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Old March 11th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #9
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Well it's literally true..
Hitler didn't literally kill anyone either. Osama Bin Laden didn't fly airplanes into the twin towers. It's not true at all these two aren't murderers, all used their power and influence for wholesale mass murder.

This professor isn't accurate.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #10
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stalin was dictator and died years ago . but we are still wage slaves ............
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Old March 12th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #11
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Hitler didn't literally kill anyone either. Osama Bin Laden didn't fly airplanes into the twin towers. It's not true at all these two aren't murderers, all used their power and influence for wholesale mass murder.

This professor isn't accurate.
Just nitpicking... Now who's taking things too seriously?
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Just nitpicking... Now who's taking things too seriously?
I notice you do that alot.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 11:39 AM   #13
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I notice you do that alot.
So? Just be glad Obtuse isn't still here if that bothers you.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:01 PM   #14
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So you do see some of the professor's findings were false.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:20 PM   #15
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So you do see some of the professor's findings were false.
False? No (aside from the 'no western scholars' bit). Desperately clinging to literal truth, ignoring context and ignoring who was giving the orders to make a political point? Yes.
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More nitpicking I don't see as helpful
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Old March 13th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #17
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More nitpicking I don't see as helpful
This whole thread is just a glorified 'No u!' Nothing to be helpful about, only options I see are troll the thread or troll Stalinists and the latter is too overdone to be fun.
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This whole thread is just a glorified 'No u!' Nothing to be helpful about, only options I see are troll the thread or troll Stalinists and the latter is too overdone to be fun.

agreed....Redirect or be closed.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #19
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This Professor claims there was no “intentional killing by starvation of millions of Ukrainians” by Stalin."

That's not true.

He claims Stalin did not "shoot hundreds of thousands of imaginary political enemies in the later 1930s.”

The Soviet military purges of the late 1930's alone prove the good professor is in error.

The Prof claims....."There is no evidence that the Soviets “massacred thousands of innocent” Poles."

Anyone who is aware of history knows of the incidents such as the Katyn Massacre.

Please Professor.......read before you write, you sound uninformed.
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