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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:42 PM   #1
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Why was Germany Defeated ?

During the 2nd. w.w. Germany had the best army in the world. it was the best trained and also had the best military equpment of any other country ;at least in the early years of fighting. But it still managed to lose . I wonder why!
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 03:11 PM   #2
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A Lunatic for a Leader is the main reason.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 04:43 PM   #3
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Was Germany set up to lose? was it all a set up because the allies and their bankers hated germany , and wanted the country destroyed? was it because germany did not want a world war? Because it didn't want a war?
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 04:48 PM   #4
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Highly doubtful. However, like the Blues Brothers I no respect nor use for Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

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Old July 23rd, 2013, 05:26 AM   #5
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It allowed unrestrained capitalism, so it didn't have a hope, even with slave labour, and it kept the mugs quiet by letting them murder everyone else as sub-human, which tended to make for rather large-scale opposition, amazingly enough.
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He lost the war for 2 reasons. 1. Letting the Brits evacuate (he was hoping the act of mercy would incline them to ally after the war) and 2. losing at Stalingrad. Had he crushed the Brits and taken the Volga and it's oil, that would have been the war. Everything else would have been mop up and propping up the Japanese so the US wouldn't be able to take back it's lost territories. The Brits would of agreed to peace in return for reparations and the US would have either descended into civil war (the Socialist and Communist Parties had quite a following at the time) or else elected a fascist as president (probably Joe Kennedy or Henry Ford) who would have followed the Brits into peace.
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During the 2nd. w.w. Germany had the best army in the world. it was the best trained and also had the best military equpment of any other country ;at least in the early years of fighting. But it still managed to lose . I wonder why!
Russians, plus we built up a pretty jam up military in a short space of time.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #8
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Russians, plus we built up a pretty jam up military in a short space of time.
Agreed, but only due to our inherent industrial capacity and natural resources. Americans are naturally isolationist.

Let's not forget that Germany declared war on the United States, not the other way around. Those who want to make an argument supporting the Nazis and saying there was a nasty plot against fascism are severely deluded in my opinion.

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Dec 11, 1941: Germany declares war on the United States
On this day, Adolf Hitler declares war on the United States, bringing America, which had been neutral, into the European conflict.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor surprised even Germany. Although Hitler had made an oral agreement with his Axis partner Japan that Germany would join a war against the United States, he was uncertain as to how the war would be engaged. Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor answered that question. On December 8, Japanese Ambassador Oshima went to German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop to nail the Germans down on a formal declaration of war against America. Von Ribbentrop stalled for time; he knew that Germany was under no obligation to do this under the terms of the Tripartite Pact, which promised help if Japan was attacked, but not if Japan was the aggressor. Von Ribbentrop feared that the addition of another antagonist, the United States, would overwhelm the German war effort.

But Hitler thought otherwise. He was convinced that the United States would soon beat him to the punch and declare war on Germany. The U.S. Navy was already attacking German U-boats, and Hitler despised Roosevelt for his repeated verbal attacks against his Nazi ideology. He also believed that Japan was much stronger than it was, that once it had defeated the United States, it would turn and help Germany defeat Russia. So at 3:30 p.m. (Berlin time) on December 11, the German charge d'affaires in Washington handed American Secretary of State Cordell Hull a copy of the declaration of war.

That very same day, Hitler addressed the Reichstag to defend the declaration. The failure of the New Deal, argued Hitler, was the real cause of the war, as President Roosevelt, supported by plutocrats and Jews, attempted to cover up for the collapse of his economic agenda. "First he incites war, then falsifies the causes, then odiously wraps himself in a cloak of Christian hypocrisy and slowly but surely leads mankind to war," declared Hitler-and the Reichstag leaped to their feet in thunderous applause.
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One of the main reasons why Hitler lost the war was Japan's refusal to join the war against the Soviet Union and the Soviets could focus on the Eastern Front by transferring troops from Siberia and the Soviet Union would have been defeated if Japan had invaded Siberia and diverted Stalin's attention to the Far East. The Tripartite Pact was a weak alliance that did not oblige Japan to support Germany automatically but Hitler played a major role in Japan's road to Pearl Harbor. Ribbentrop repeatedly urged the Japanese ambassador to attack the US and assured him that Nazi Germany would declare war on America and Hitler was true to his word.

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On the 28th November, 1941, ten days before the attack on Pearl Harbour, Ribbentrop encouraged Japan, through her Ambassador in Berlin, to attack Great Britain and the United States, and stated that should Japan become engaged in a war with the United States, Germany would join the war immediately. A few days later, Japanese representatives told Germany and Italy that Japan was preparing to attack the United States, and asked for their support. Germany and Italy agreed to do this, although in the Tripartite Pact, Italy and Germany had undertaken to assist Japan only if she were attacked. When the assault on Pearl Harbour did take place, the defendant Ribbentrop is reported to have been "overjoyed," and later, at a ceremony in Berlin, when a German medal was awarded to Oshima, the Japanese Ambassador, Hitler indicated his approval of the tactics which the Japanese had adopted of negotiating with the United States as long as possible, and then striking hard without any declaration of war. Although it is true that Hitler and his colleagues originally did not consider that a war with the United States would be beneficial to their interest, it is apparent that in the course of 1941 that view was revised, and Japan was given every encouragement to adopt a policy which would almost certainly bring the United States into the war. And when Japan attacked the United States fleet in Pearl Harbour and thus made aggressive war against the United States, the Nazi Government caused Germany to enter that war at once on the side of Japan by declaring war themselves on the United States.
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One of the main reasons why Hitler lost the war was Japan's refusal to join the war against the Soviet Union and the Soviets could focus on the Eastern Front by transferring troops from Siberia and the Soviet Union would have been defeated if Japan had invaded Siberia and diverted Stalin's attention to the Far East. The Tripartite Pact was a weak alliance that did not oblige Japan to support Germany automatically but Hitler played a major role in Japan's road to Pearl Harbor. Ribbentrop repeatedly urged the Japanese ambassador to attack the US and assured him that Nazi Germany would declare war on America and Hitler was true to his word.
A great bit of history.

It wouldn't have been the first time in history an aggressor overestimated their or their allies abilities.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 12:12 PM   #11
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A Lunatic for a Leader is the main reason.
Correct,he was a lunatic and that was the "main" reason. He refused to listen to his generals who placed their careers and their lives at risk when opposing his decisions. He was also convinced of German superiority and the idea that the Third Reich would last for a 1,000 years. Nationalism combined with racial supremacy is a road to perdition.
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A good synopsis.
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Correct,he was a lunatic and that was the "main" reason. He refused to listen to his generals who placed their careers and their lives at risk when opposing his decisions. He was also convinced of German superiority and the idea that the Third Reich would last for a 1,000 years. Nationalism combined with racial supremacy is a road to perdition.
Why did the big capitalist firms choose him, since he was such a madman?
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Why did the big capitalist firms choose him, since he was such a madman?
Greed and because his madness was not readily apparent to many in the beginning.
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Greed and because his madness was not readily apparent to many in the beginning.
Greed and desperate fear, maybe. His madness, I suppose, was marginally less than that of the capitalist system itself, but it was a close-run thing!
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Russians, plus we built up a pretty jam up military in a short space of time.
You mean at NORMANDY where the pretty jam up military was at?

is that what you mean?

Where the 12th. H.J. Division S.S. made up of 15-16 years old who managed to mop the floor with the texas rangers? IS that what you mean?? I don't think I know what you MEAN???
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Wow. Am I missing something or is someone still pissed the Nazis lost the war?
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Old August 5th, 2013, 04:04 AM   #18
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Wow. Am I missing something or is someone still pissed the Nazis lost the war?
It' a bit like 'The Man in the High Castle' backwards. I begin seriously to wonder if they really did.
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They lost the war for the same reason the Confederacy did-they overreached against a combined enemy that could put 10x1 personnel in the field and out supply and retrofit their armies on a scale of 15x1. It didn't matter that the German war industries produced magnificent machines such as the Panther tank, the ME 262 and the best assault weapon in existence if after 4 years of war you had no experienced pilots or tank drivers and a bunch of old men and kids wielding the weapons. And Uncle Adolf was no Napolean....
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They lost the war for the same reason the Confederacy did-they overreached against a combined enemy that could put 10x1 personnel in the field and out supply and retrofit their armies on a scale of 15x1. It didn't matter that the German war industries produced magnificent machines such as the Panther tank, the ME 262 and the best assault weapon in existence if after 4 years of war you had no experienced pilots or tank drivers and a bunch of old men and kids wielding the weapons. And Uncle Adolf was no Napolean....
it takes hardware to fight a war ,it takes money to win one.

there was no way germany could have won. will power can go just so far.

the zionist moneybags who usually finance both sides in any dispute ,feared this time, they would be hung from the lamp posts ,they wouldn't collect.
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