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Old March 11th, 2018, 03:09 PM   #81
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I am disappointed. Forty years working for the government and large aerospace corporations and I did not get to participate in a single conspiracy.
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Old March 11th, 2018, 03:24 PM   #82
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I am disappointed. Forty years working for the government and large aerospace corporations and I did not get to participate in a single conspiracy.
In my case it was 27 years on & off, no conspiracy either. Unless the Pershing II missile with live nuclear warhead we had in our lab for GVS (Ground Vibration Survey) testing was a fake. We always had to wear radiation badges, and did the testing at night when the lab was mostly empty.
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Old March 11th, 2018, 05:14 PM   #83
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In my case it was 27 years on & off, no conspiracy either. Unless the Pershing II missile with live nuclear warhead we had in our lab for GVS (Ground Vibration Survey) testing was a fake. We always had to wear radiation badges, and did the testing at night when the lab was mostly empty.
I did a little black travel. If I figure out where I went, I have to shoot myself.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 08:25 AM   #84
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I have it from 2 very reliable sources that the people responsible for the 911 attacks are also responsible for killing Biggy and Tupac. Dastardly deeds in both cases.
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Old March 14th, 2018, 12:59 PM   #85
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History quiz: Who was immediately blamed for the anthrax attacks?

Remember, also, that the anthrax attacks were instrumental in stampeding Congress to pass the so-called "Patriot" Act, sight unseen and all unread.

2001 Anthrax Attacks

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Immediately after the anthrax attacks, White House officials repeatedly pressured FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove that they were a second-wave assault by Al Qaeda following the September 11 attacks. During the president's morning intelligence briefings, Mueller was "beaten up" for not producing proof that the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide. "They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East," the retired senior FBI official stated.
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History quiz: Who was immediately blamed for the anthrax attacks?

Remember, also, that the anthrax attacks were instrumental in stampeding Congress to pass the so-called "Patriot" Act, sight unseen and all unread.

2001 Anthrax Attacks


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And this has what to do with the subject?
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History quiz: Who was immediately blamed for the anthrax attacks?

Remember, also, that the anthrax attacks were instrumental in stampeding Congress to pass the so-called "Patriot" Act, sight unseen and all unread.

2001 Anthrax Attacks


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The bottom line is that The Patriot Act was quite serendipitous - hello?!

The next to the bottom line, is that the ONLY individuals that actually should fear the Act is the CRIMINALS!!!
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Old March 14th, 2018, 01:39 PM   #88
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Here is an example of a conspiracy of silence that occurred long before the Manhattan Project, during a time when media manipulation was a much more primitive art. The British government and media entered into a conspiracy to prevent all mention in the British press of the King Edward-Wallace Simpson affair, and they were successful for many months, even while the matter was much discussed in foreign media, including those of the USA.

Even today, foreign media are full of information about how phony the Official Story of 9/11 is, but somehow this information never manages to get into the "free press" of Yankeeland.

For example, Pentagon Strike
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As I said at the beginning of this thread, the initial hole in the buiding was 16 feet across. It is impossible that a Boeing 757 could have been swallowed up in a hole that small. Here it is, before the front of the building collapsed 30 minutes after the impact:




The impact was just above and to the right of the man's head.

The two engines were the largest, sturdiest and heaviest components of the airplane. If a 757 hit the fašade, the engines would have made clear and evident impressions on the wall; the photographs show no sign of such impacts.

New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon

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...the aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory--flying more than 500 mph barely above ground level--physically impossible, because of the accumulation of a massive pocket of compressed gas (air) beneath the fuselage; and if it had come it at an angle instead, it would have created a massive crater; but there is no crater and the official trajectory is impossible.

Flying low enough to impact with the ground floor would have meant that the enormous engines were plowing the ground and creating massive furrows; but there are no massive furrows. The smooth, unblemished surface of the Pentagon lawn thus stands as a "smoking gun" proving the official trajectory cannot be sustained.
Here is a photo of the site immediately after the explosion. The lawn is immaculate:


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So ALL those people on the plane simply vanished w/o a trace off the face of the Earth. YOU ARE INSANE!!!.
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Did you examine anything at the site? A group of very qualified people did.
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Did you examine anything at the site? A group of very qualified people did.
He didn't, and fell for the conspiracy fake news websites.

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I earned a commercial pilots license in 1974. I considered an aviation career after retiring from the Air Force, but, even if I could have been hired, the pay would have been very low flying the right seat in some small airline or charter service or possibly as a crop duster.

The Pilots for 9/11 Truth is about 0.1% of the size of ALPA. I looked at the qualifications of the Pilots for 9/11 Truth. I have more flight time than some of them.

If ALPA said that 911 was a conspiracy, I might believe them. However, if you google "ALPA Sept 11, 2001", you will find nothing indicating that ALPA believes that 911 is anything more than the official version.
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Much was made of ground effect in your article. Intuitively, I doubted that because at high speed, the compressed air would have ended up behind the aircraft. This article supports what I was thinking:

"Ground effect is a low speed, near the ground, high angle of attack phenomenon. Approach speeds are typically around 150 knots, about a third of the speed Flight 77 was flying at when impact occurred."
http://www.911myths.com/Ground_Effect.pdf
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The lawn is immaculate

They had a quality lawn service, obviously.

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Political activist Thierry Meyssan and filmmaker Dylan Avery claim that American Airlines Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon. Instead, they argue that the Pentagon was hit by a missile launched by elements from inside the U.S. government. Some claim that the holes in the Pentagon walls were far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757: "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 60 ft. across?" Meyssan’s book, L’Effroyable Imposture (published in English as 9/11: The Big Lie) became available in more than a dozen languages. When released, the book was heavily criticized by both the mainstream French and American press, and later, from within the 9/11 Truth movement. The French newspaper Liberation called the book "a tissue of wild and irresponsible allegations, entirely without foundation."

In response to the conspiracy theorists' claim of a missile hitting the Pentagon, Mete Sozen, a professor of civil engineering at Purdue University argues that: "A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building. When Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, one wing hit the ground and the other was sheared off by the Pentagon's load-bearing columns." According to ArchitectureWeek, the reason the Pentagon took relatively little damage from the impact was because Wedge One had recently been renovated. (This was part of a renovation program which had been begun in the 1980s, and Wedge One was the first of five to be renovated.)

Evidence contradicting some conspiracy theorists' claim of a missile hitting the Pentagon have been described by researchers within the 9/11 Truth Movement, such as Jim Hoffman, in his essay "The Pentagon Attack: What the Physical Evidence Shows", and by others broadly refuting the role of other conspiracies in the attacks. The evidence refuting missile claims includes airplane debris including Flight 77's black boxes, the nose cone, landing gear, an airplane tire, and an intact cockpit seat were observed at the crash site. The remains of passengers from Flight 77 were indeed found at the Pentagon crash site and their identities confirmed by DNA analysis. Many eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. Further, Flight 77 passengers made phone calls reporting that their airplane had been hijacked. For example, passenger Renee May called her mother to tell her that the plane had been hijacked and that the passengers had been herded to the back of the plane. Another passenger named Barbara Olson called her husband (U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson) and said that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box cutters. Some conspiracy theories say the phone calls the passengers made were fabricated by voice morphing, the passengers' bodies disposed of, and a missile fired at the Pentagon.

The pressure group Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request on December 15, 2004, to force the government to release video recordings from the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation. On May 16, 2006, the government released the Pentagon security camera videos to Judicial Watch. The image of American Airlines Flight 77 which appears in the videos has been described as "[a] white blob" and "a white streak" (by the BBC), "a thin white blur" (by The Associated Press), and "a silver speck low to the ground" (in The Washington Post). A sequence of five frames from one of the videos already appeared in the media in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists believe the new video does not answer their questions.
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Old March 14th, 2018, 07:15 PM   #97
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The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels fly low at high speeds very frequently. In these pictures, jets are flying low over the water at high speed. Notice the water spraying up well behind him. The disturbance goes out from the aircraft at the speed of sound and forms a cone. The cone is sharper at high speed and wider at low speed.
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