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Old November 27th, 2011, 07:56 AM   #1
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Addressing the Gay Issue

Addressing the Gay Issue
Posted: November 27, 2011 in Burt Prelutsky
Source: http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/addre...m_medium=email

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Heterosexuals are always being accused by homosexuals of being narrow-minded and intolerant, but have any of them ever said they understood why straights might regard sodomy as disgusting behavior?

Have they ever said that although we all grasp the fact that not all homosexuals are pedophiles, it still behooves them to speak out against adults having gay sex with ?consenting? teenagers and, furthermore, why it would be inappropriate and criminally irresponsible for the Boy Scouts to allow homosexuals to be Scout Masters and to oversee camping trips? Just as an aside, I can?t help reflecting on the fact that ?camping? is a word long used to describe gays acting out in the most outrageous fashion.

Also, when they defend their life style because they were ?born that way,? are they blind to the fact that pederasts and rapists and, I dare say, serial killers, could, in their own defense, make the identical claim?

I happen to know a great many conservatives, and I don?t know a single one who believes that gays should be bullied, beaten, persecuted or ostracized by their families. That?s not to say there aren?t any, but I?m happy to report that I haven?t run into them. At the same time, I don?t know why a crime committed against a homosexual should be deemed a ?hate crime? and carry a heavier penalty in a court of law than the very same offense when the victim happens to be a heterosexual..........<SNIP>
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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:31 AM   #2
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Also, when they defend their life style because they were “born that way,” are they blind to the fact that pederasts and rapists and, I dare say, serial killers, could, in their own defense, make the identical claim?
As someone that believes in fate and reasoning and that we have all been put on this earth for a reason I've found this quite disgusting.

Yes I was Born Gay, but does that mean I haven't been influenced at some point in my 18 years to side with one team or another?

Now yes I do disagree that I could potently play the hate crime card and make a mountain out of a mole hill but there is something wrong when someone with no authority only power* over someone else can determine what they can and can't do.

*I say power as in strength, and not actual Political power.
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As someone that believes in fate and reasoning and that we have all been put on this earth for a reason I've found this quite disgusting.

Yes I was Born Gay, but does that mean I haven't been influenced at some point in my 18 years to side with one team or another?

Now yes I do disagree that I could potently play the hate crime card and make a mountain out of a mole hill but there is something wrong when someone with no authority only power* over someone else can determine what they can and can't do.

*I say power as in strength, and not actual Political power.
I feel bad for you because you have been propogandized on this issue.

Some people are born kleptomanics: They like to steal. I would never hate them or treat them badly, and yet they must confront the fact that stealing is wrong despite the fact they were born that way.

Some people are born alcoholics: They like to get drunk. I would never hate them or treat them badly, and yet they must confront the fact that drunkeness is bad despite the fact they were born that way.

I don't hate gays and I believe all discrimiation against you guys is bad. And yet I must be truthful in saying that it is a disorder, and the act is unatural. (And from a religious point of view the act is also extremely sinful)

People do not like being confronted by uncomfortable truths, but it is much better than letting poeople self-destruct
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Old November 27th, 2011, 09:44 AM   #4
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Being gay is not a disorder. There is no biological evidence for that. There is not even any proven distinction genetically or physiologically other than the mere fact that they are gay.

Also, people who steal hurt others.

People who drink excessively hurt themselves (which I believe they should have the right to do).

People who are gay hurt no one.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 10:01 AM   #5
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Being gay is not a disorder. There is no biological evidence for that.............
It IS a disorder, and not all disorders are measurable by biology tests.
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It IS a disorder, and not all disorders are measurable by biology tests.
Actually there are criteria that need to be met to have something be a disorder. Homosexuality does not meet the necessary criteria and hence is not a medical disorder.
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Actually there are criteria that need to be met to have something be a disorder............
Yes, is this now the "non-disorder formerly known as disorder"? It was a disorder in the DSM I and II. That it is not listed as a disorder in the DSM IV, does that mean that it is not a disorder? Of course not. The APA can be wrong. The current APA thinks that they were "wrong back then," and "right now." But certainly, the opposite may be true, that is was right back then and wrong now.

Personally, I think that they were right before and wrong now because they now fear liberal retaliation and politcial correctness that did not exist before.
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Yes, is this now the "non-disorder formerly known as disorder"? It was a disorder in the DSM I and II. That it is not listed as a disorder in the DSM IV, does that mean that it is not a disorder? Of course not. The APA can be wrong. The current APA thinks that they were "wrong back then," and "right now." But certainly, the opposite may be true, that is was right back then and wrong now.

Personally, I think that they were right before and wrong now because they now fear liberal retaliation and politcial correctness that did not exist before.
Scientists don't fear "liberal retaliation" or whatever. That is the difference between people of science and people like you. The DSM IV is the current standard and reflects the latest knowledge (well the not-yet-released DSM V does, but you get my point). People once thought women and colored peoples had smaller brains and were stupider too. Are you going to say that because that was once the standard, that it is still arguable? If you want to prove homosexuality is a disorder find the science behind it through research and then talk.
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Scientists don't fear "liberal retaliation" or whatever............
Yah, right. Do you know how some scientists careers have been destroyed because they dared to challenge Global Warming? And not just scientists. Did you hear about the teacher that got fired because she dared say that homosexuality was wrong? What planet are you on dude.
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Yah, right. Do you know how some scientists careers have been destroyed because they dared to challenge Global Warming? And not just scientists. Did you hear about the teacher that got fired because she dared say that homosexuality was wrong? What planet are you on dude.
I am at a big research university where I have talked with and even worked with some of the very professors in these fields. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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The Catechism Of The Catholic Church
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Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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The Catechism Of The Catholic Church
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Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Let me just throw this in here. I have been looking for that "Christian perfection" since I was a child sitting on my parents lap in church. I am not even close. That is a tough cookie to crumble be you gay or straight.

Thank you for your time. You may now go back to bickering.
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Treat homosexuals with respect and equality under the law. If they are to go to Hell that's on Yahweh, it's not our place to pass judgment.
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Treat homosexuals with respect and equality under the law. If they are to go to Hell that's on Yahweh, it's not our place to pass judgment.
As far as I know I have always treated homosexuals with respect. All but one, that one put his hands on me when I was about 22 or 23 years old.

I was at a pro-wrestling show. Went to the restroom to drain the beer. Man walks up behind me reaches around and puts his hand on my stomach. Then whispers "baby" in my ear. Then it was on! 5 strangers saw what happened. They told the police and he went to jail. I got another beer and went back to my seat.


PS:As I have thought about the above for years I have my own opinions about that guy.

I think most homosexuals understand why I reacted as I did. I feel many of them would have reacted as I did. They know that when someone pulls a stunt like that or messes with a child it hurts everything that they have wanted and worked for. They may even hate it more than us old white straight guys do. Because it adds fuel to the fire when people judge them as "all being that way". I just want to say I only blame that one guy, not all gays as people.

I know I said this badly, but I hope people can figure out what I was trying for.

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I feel bad for you because you have been propogandized on this issue.

Some people are born kleptomanics: They like to steal. I would never hate them or treat them badly, and yet they must confront the fact that stealing is wrong despite the fact they were born that way.

Some people are born alcoholics: They like to get drunk. I would never hate them or treat them badly, and yet they must confront the fact that drunkeness is bad despite the fact they were born that way.

I don't hate gays and I believe all discrimiation against you guys is bad. And yet I must be truthful in saying that it is a disorder, and the act is unatural. (And from a religious point of view the act is also extremely sinful)

People do not like being confronted by uncomfortable truths, but it is much better than letting poeople self-destruct
No one is 'born' a kleptomaniac or an alcoholic. Don't utter such ridiculous nonsense. That is more leftwing claptrap designed to blame everything on everyone else.
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Being gay is not a disorder. There is no biological evidence for that. There is not even any proven distinction genetically or physiologically other than the mere fact that they are gay.

Also, people who steal hurt others.

People who drink excessively hurt themselves (which I believe they should have the right to do).

People who are gay hurt no one.
Being gay is most certainly a disorder.

People who are gay hurt no one? Uh, fags having sex with little boys, as in raping them? I see. Faking 'hate crimes' against those who they would disagree with via lies? You were saying? The gays are every bit as bad as the Jews in forwarding their own agenda via hate.
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Being gay is most certainly a disorder.

People who are gay hurt no one? Uh, fags having sex with little boys, as in raping them? I see. Faking 'hate crimes' against those who they would disagree with via lies? You were saying? The gays are every bit as bad as the Jews in forwarding their own agenda via hate.
All gay people do not molest children. In fact, a verryy small percentage do. Just like a small percentage of straight people also molest children. Being homosexual or heterosexual has nothing to do with molesting children.

And it is not a disorder scientifically.
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All gay people do not molest children. In fact, a verryy small percentage do. Just like a small percentage of straight people also molest children. Being homosexual or heterosexual has nothing to do with molesting children.

And it is not a disorder scientifically.
It is a genetic disorder. The solution would be to remove them from the gene pool by disallowing them from participating in procreation.
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It is a genetic disorder. The solution would be to remove them from the gene pool by disallowing them from participating in procreation.
What gene or chromosome does it effect? You don't have an answer because the answer is it is not known to be the result of a genetic difference. And even if it were, it is not a disorder.

That aside, there are plenty of straight people and people with several generations of all-straight people who have gay children. For all you know one of your progeny down the line might be gay- should we stop you from procreating?
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What gene or chromosome does it effect? You don't have an answer because the answer is it is not known to be the result of a genetic difference. And even if it were, it is not a disorder.

That aside, there are plenty of straight people and people with several generations of all-straight people who have gay children. For all you know one of your progeny down the line might be gay- should we stop you from procreating?
None of my family has ever been gay. We do not have the mutant gene that causes faggotry. Straight people have been known to have faggot children, but that is because the genetics in their children have mutated, thus differing from that of their parents.

If any of my family were to become gay, YES, they should be prevented from continuing in the gene pool. Eugenics is a wonderful thing. The human race needs to be kept pure.
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