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Old June 13th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #1
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Towards Democracy

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Democracy in politics

Historic roots, current expression and what we must do to make government a more democratic institution.
UK Parliament has hardly changed from its Cromwellian seventeen-century beginnings; members still make their own rules and answers to no one. They follow ancient laws and pursue systems laid down by decedents of Norman conquerors hundreds of years ago, systems that still maintain a stranglehold on democracy.
Their rules allow a leader, a Prime minister, with strong internal followers to dictate to the nation and only allow the voters redress for a brief one day every five years.
It is increasingly obvious that UK democracy has stalled.
A recent Prime Minister deliberately ignored mass demonstrations and refused to listen to what the people were clearly saying, he preferred not to record the vote of the nation but instead, pursued his own wants and committed the country to war.
Other parliamentary factions also ignore the will-of-the-people and under a proper democratic system, both cases would be clearly seen as acts of treason and brought before a court for sentencing.
Leaders and other members of parliament are usurping trusted positions and until voting day, they show a complete lack of respect for the voting public.
Apart from being stuck in the past, many other things are clearly wrong; there is considerable dishonesty among legislators, there are too many career politicians taking too much from taxpayers’ funds and there are many groups within the houses of parliament that have nothing to do with democracy.
There is an urgent need for major change, rules that govern parliament need bringing up to date, service to voters need redefining, internal policing needs restructuring and several other changes are urgently needed.
To progress towards Democracy we need major changes to how governments are formed and we need to change the concept of representing, to one of serving.

Democracy
Contrary to what the old establishment would have you believe, democracy is not an isolated political concept but an outward expression of the developing human brain. In particular, how our personality lobes channel sensory inputs to brain analysing areas and constantly improve how we react to what we feel, see and hear.
Democracy is a term that describes our reducing tolerance of one-sided governments and their one-side law making, it describes how evolution is changing our assessment of history, refining our understanding of the extended environment and of our collective future.

Personality-balance has continually evolved since before Greek city-states introduced their individual forms of early democracy. It has proven a slow process and unfortunately, there are still many in positions of power that remain driven by primitive animal responses of greed, accumulation and exploitation. It appears that evolution is bypassing them and their genetic descendents will probably find it increasingly difficult to survive future isolation.

A view of political evolution
Before medical science intervened, evolution was a relentless improvement of the Human-animal and unsustainable mutations quickly died out. Survival-of-the fittest maintained a strong healthy breeding stock, the genetic-pool remained sound and the Human-animal spread and prospered.
As numbers increased, local resources dwindled, animal instincts prevailed and the strong taking from the weak, gave rise to warlord domination.
Surfs and slaves were made of whole populations, generally forcibly but a few preferred the certainty of knowing what comes next and accepted the dynasties warlords established.
Hierarchies of rank and privilege created a suppressive order but as populations increased, the haves became increasingly visible to the have-not and dissension gave rise to political factions taking control away from warlord descendants.
Political parties formed and dissention reduced but making new and changing existing laws remained the province of those with time and money to pursue their personal aims and when in control, they still generated one-sided laws, just as previous Warlords, Dictators and Kings did.

Towards democracy
In this five hundredth year of supposed democracy, the year 2012, many believe that politicians follow their party agenda and only pretend to listen. They also believe that systems of government are so deeply entrenched as to be permanent and even if they bothered to vote, it would be a waste of their time, as nothing would change.
Consequently, political parties that claim election success rarely represent more than 20% of the adult population. They claim larger numbers but it’s normal for politicians to speak part truths rather than giving the full facts and voting numbers, are often deliberately confused with population numbers.
Following present day elections, when government do change, the process is little more than a bloodless transfer of control from one minority group to another. New legislations swing to an opposite extreme but still have only a passing resemblance to what the majority of people really want to happen.
Under our system of party politics, one-sided legislations are inevitable and forming a truly democratic government proves just as impossible as it was under the restrictive regimes of Dictators and Kings.
To unfreeze democracy, we must not only reduce the one-sidedness of law making, we must also make several other sweeping changes.

Human evolution is relentless and as the brain is exercised more now than in previous generations, lack of British democracy becomes increasingly evident.
The following are seven peaceful actions we can take to bring our parliamentary systems up to date but I’m afraid that without peaceful change, younger and future generations will find other ways to humanise government systems and make them fit for the twenty-first century

We need to

Change the political arena; reverse our false stratification, the hierarchy of politics and society and enable all citizens to have a continuing say.

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Stop parliament and others from making rules that govern their own conduct and in the short term, have frequently changing, external legal committees constantly monitoring.

To
Change the way parliamentarians think and make legislators more fully accountable to the people rather than to their political parties and we need to make it much easier and faster for the people, to remove them from office.

To
Remove the dominance of wealth and privilege and ensure we have a balance of legislators from every walk-of-life.

To
Make it illegal for any group to dictate who will represent whom and we should try to remove the need for political parties by funding the election of individuals with loyalties only to the people who elect them.

To
Supply funds for non-party individuals to stand for election and for those elected, to serve their communities at all levels, local and national and do so as active monitors with collective powers to change or remove offending systems or managers.

To
Reduce the possibility of national and local dictatorships by making it illegal for anyone to hold political office for more than one term of five years and there must be no political appointments without full parliamentary or national approval.

We will only progress towards real democracy when the antiquated concepts of rank and privilege and minorities dictating to the majority, take their place in history alongside Warlords, Dictators and Kings.
Only then, can we hope to develop a system of government that really does include everyone, a democracy that continues evolving as the Human-animal evolves.

Desmond G. John.
England June 2012
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Old June 13th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #2
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Change the political arena; reverse our false stratification, the hierarchy of politics and society and enable all citizens to have a continuing say.
i agree

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Stop parliament and others from making rules that govern their own conduct and in the short term, have frequently changing, external legal committees constantly monitoring.
i agree


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Change the way parliamentarians think and make legislators more fully accountable to the people rather than to their political parties and we need to make it much easier and faster for the people, to remove them from office.
what is the difference between people and parties?

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eliminate money and all of its influence? people have to evolve first
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illegalize parties to form parties? people are the parties.

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much esaier said than done, you would have to form a comitee that can decide which individual is worth running, and which is not. otherwise all the fruitloops will run and the voting process will be so complicated that nobody will participate.

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absolutly agree
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Old June 16th, 2012, 04:00 AM   #3
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Change the way parliamentarians think and make legislators more fully accountable to the people rather than to their political parties and we need to make it much easier and faster for the people, to remove them from office.

what is the difference between people and parties?

DGJ - In the context of this discussion, ‘People’ means the whole of the adult population while ‘Political parties refer to a small percentage of the ‘People’, those who pay an annual subscription or make larger donations to an organised group, a group dedicated to one-sided political beliefs / actions.



Remove the dominance of wealth and privilege and ensure we have a balance of legislators from every walk-of-life.

eliminate money and all of its influence? people have to evolve first

DGJ - Eliminating money is not a practical proposition; it could work in a small community but who lives in small communities; however, the misuse of money is a very serious problem. Money is an inanimate commodity that owners apply to a multitude of good, bad or indifferent uses. When used to influence political decision-making, it becomes a tool that deliberately isolates others and perverts the course of democracy.

On your comment of people having to evolve first, when you look at countries around the world you cannot fail to realise that populations follow dominat examples, in some, its religion, some it’s dictators or kings and others, impressions crated by media images. In the UK, dominant examples are those set by business leaders and politicians, change the examples and population behaviour changes just as it did in the so-called ‘Dark-ages’ of UK history.


Make it illegal for any group to dictate who will represent whom and we should try to remove the need for political parties by funding the election of individuals with loyalties only to the people who elect them.

illegalize parties to form parties? people are the parties

DGJ - It is often unsettling to discover that long held beliefs are based on widely accepted fiction and contrary to party belief, most people are not members of any political party. Political parties are only composed of small percentages of the adult population and the general population, ‘the people’, only accept them for want of an alternative
My fifth proposed action should not be taken out of context; the suggestion is not to replace existing parties with new but to elect individuals from local communities, individuals with responsibilities to their local communities.

Supply funds for non-party individuals to stand for election and for those elected, to serve their communities at all levels, local and national and do so as active monitors with collective powers to change or remove offending systems or managers.
much esaier said than done, you would have to form a comitee that can decide which individual is worth running, and which is not. otherwise all the fruitloops will run and the voting process will be so complicated that nobody will participate.

DGJ - Yes, it’s often the case that things worth doing are not easy, and although the behaviour of parliament demands urgent action, replacing the present systems of selecting MP’s should not be rushed.
I’ve not thought very deeply about how selection should happen, but I’ve always found that the basics for whatever you want to do, already exist. If a little thought is applied, systems used to elect village / parish councils could be expanded and brought up-to-date and It should prove reasonably cheap to run a series of elections starting from local levels. Starting locally should eliminate both outsiders and undesirables and do so by empowering local people rather than creating expensive special committees.

On the use of labels to define people who think differently than you do, beware, it often encourages others to label you, their labels could be less than complimentary and may affect the rest of your life.

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People will devide into parties because people do not agree, and the first pairing of two people agree and double their voting power, others will follow suit until you have a party. You have to comprimise in order to be electid
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DGJ, please see this: http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=3081
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Old June 16th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #6
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Why would it be any different if people or comitees which are people. It seems that starting over to end the same thing.

I notcied you reffered to pralement, i am not too farmiler with englands politicalstructure
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DGJ - Parliament - a word originally derived from Norman French / Spanish– to parlay, to pose a question in forum, to debate. Now in common use to define both the building, the Palace of Westminster, and its two British legislating chambers, the elected house of commons and the non-elected house of lords.
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