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Old July 22nd, 2014, 07:18 PM   #1
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sin test 1

is it morally wrong to...

a) obtain pirated music or videos?

b) belittle or give the waiter or waitress a hard time for no reason

c) make up things (fudge deductions, etc.) on your taxes?

d) watch and pleasure oneself to porn?

e) drive a little tipsy after 2 beers?
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 07:51 PM   #2
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is it morally wrong to...

a) obtain pirated music or videos?

b) belittle or give the waiter or waitress a hard time for no reason

c) make up things (fudge deductions, etc.) on your taxes?

d) watch and pleasure oneself to porn?

e) drive a little tipsy after 2 beers?
Ethically...in my opinion:

a) no
b) yes
c) no
d) no
e) yes

But...these are MY opinions, and are applicable only to myself.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 08:45 PM   #3
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If you are Christian it is a sin just having been born.

Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old July 23rd, 2014, 05:58 AM   #4
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I would hate for that to happen!

It would be like "guilty until proven innocent"; totally contrary to the American system of justice!!!
Yep.
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Old July 23rd, 2014, 11:52 PM   #5
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Therefore totally - WRONG!!! (i.e. cannot/must not be true)
Don't go to church or believe in God. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 10:09 AM   #6
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a) yes
b) yes
c) yes
d) yes
e) yes
f) yes
g) yes
h) yes
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Old July 25th, 2014, 10:12 AM   #7
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I would hate for that to happen!

It would be like "guilty until proven innocent"; totally contrary to the American system of justice!!!

guilty is one word, as is diseased.

i've said it before, but, i prefer "diseased" or infected" in this context. all the subjects have the infection, some more than others but it doesn't matter "how much" because any of the disease (even a little) will kill you.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 11:22 AM   #8
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when i took world religions in college, we had to visit a mosque.

one of the clerics there informed us that we should not fart in the mosque as allah would not like that. so presumably farting in a mosque is a sin to allah.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 03:45 PM   #9
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You are quite OVER-ZEALOUS!
The wages of sin is death. But if he is Christian he believes that Christ is ultimate forgiveness and grace thus he wouldn't be zealous.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #10
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There are many shades of gray/sin.
The bible defines sin, and there aren't really any shades of gray, sin is sin. What you mean when you say sin I don't really know.

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So you are saying the penalty for the worst thing in your life is stealing a candy bar is the same as a serial killer?
Penalty? I was talking about Christianity. There aren't really any penalties involved in it. There is living in God's grace and living outside of it. There is only one sin that will cast you out and it isn't. theft or murder.

So I think you are a little confused.
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So the Ten Commandments are just a prank?
That is a rather odd conclusion to jump to.

There isn't really any punishment involved in Christianity.
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just to place it in context...

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I have rethought my answers on arcturus's sin test 1, and using the Ten Commandments (when violated) as the only sins, then none of the items on the test are sins.

In other words, per the Ten Commandments, you can get in your car drunk as a skunk, get in a bad wreck, cause someone to be a paraplegic for the rest of their life, and as long as they didn't die, no sin whatsoever has been committed!
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is it morally wrong to...

a) obtain pirated music or videos?

b) belittle or give the waiter or waitress a hard time for no reason

c) make up things (fudge deductions, etc.) on your taxes?

d) watch and pleasure oneself to porn?

e) drive a little tipsy after 2 beers?

so given "thou shall not steal" is one, you'd like to make "obtain pirated music or videos" a sin?

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It is technically NOT stealing! When you steal for real, the owner of something no longer has it, as it was stolen away.

Just like so-called "identity theft" is not technically theft either, because you still have your identity afterwards. It is just mimicked.
That's the beauty of "Sin"...everyone gets to decide for themselves what it is...kinda like God.
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That's the beauty of "Sin"...everyone gets to decide for themselves what it is...kinda like God.
Wicked people justify their behavior. If you don't do wicked things you don't need to justify anything. Regardless of what you believe.
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Wicked people justify their behavior. If you don't do wicked things you don't need to justify anything. Regardless of what you believe.

Pretty sure....you just managed to prove my point, Thanx.

Wicked is not only a completely arbitrary term...it is also totally individually based.
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Pretty sure....you just managed to prove my point, Thanx.

Wicked is not only a completely arbitrary term...it is also totally individually based.
Actually I didn't. Well maybe if you are a sociopath. Wickedness most certainly isn't completely arbitrary, perhaps in the post modern sociopathic mindset it is, but that is merely an illusion.

Postmodernism is simply attempting to convince ourselves that wickedness isn't wickedness The only thing that changed is that we moved into the questioning of morality itself.

If wickedness and sin is completely arbitrary than everything is permissible. Or in laymen terms, thereis no morality, and we are all sociopaths. Society is an illusion.
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Actually I didn't. Well maybe if you are a sociopath. Wickedness most certainly isn't completely arbitrary, perhaps in the post modern sociopathic mindset it is, but that is merely an illusion.

Postmodernism is simply attempting to convince ourselves that wickedness isn't wickedness The only thing that changed is that we moved into the questioning of morality itself.

If wickedness and sin is completely arbitrary than everything is permissible. Or in laymen terms, thereis no morality, and we are all sociopaths. Society is an illusion.
Please provide us all with the universally accepted definition of the term "Wicked"....I will provide you with mine:

Wicked: Adj.

The perpensity found within fictional characters to perform acts considered by heros to be negative.
The adjective added to a name that designates a tendency to commit unacceptable actions.
An ephemeral term used to state the opposite of nice or good.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 06:31 AM   #18
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Please provide us all with the universally accepted definition of the term "Wicked"....I will provide you with mine:
Yours and mine are meaningless.

Everybody pretty much knows what wickedness is. Only a sociopath wouldn't. To pretend that their is a variable definition based on somebody's perspective, is playing at post modernism concepts. Since such concepts aren't rational, your question is circular.

Basically put, you knowwhat wickedness is, you are just pretending you don't.

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LOL!!! Headhunters in Africa wouldn't consider what they do as "wicked", but you certainly do, hence perspective. There is hardly anything "post modern" about headhunting!!!

Yet the headhunter would consider a wickedly immoral act done against him were his family to lose their heads. Thus man is infallible holding a different standard for himself than he does for others. Key point a "standard" exists in man, what you call "common sense."
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Yet the headhunter would consider a wickedly immoral act done against him were his family to lose their heads. Thus man is infallible holding a different standard for himself than he does for others. Key point a "standard" exists in man, what you call "common sense."
Big surprise the dolt doesn't know what post modern means. There is a reason he is being ignored.
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