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Old August 11th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #1
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natural interpretations of right and wrong

from a "natural" sense of life, meaning all science chalks up to life, we as humans are "right" or better said, "successful" by one thing and one thing alone.

procreation.

procreation so as to enable our genes to carry on. that means the guy who has 11 kids out of wed-lock and is a dead-beat dad and abuser is a success. he put his genes out there and thus wins from a darwinian standpoint.

wrong or failure in this light is simply not spreading ones genes. so the man who is charitable and perhaps does not have kids but gives to orphanages or even adopts a child or two (of the deadbeats children) is still by this natural definition a failure.

any thoughts?
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Old August 12th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #2
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from a "natural" sense of life, meaning all science chalks up to life, we as humans are "right" or better said, "successful" by one thing and one thing alone.

procreation.

procreation so as to enable our genes to carry on. that means the guy who has 11 kids out of wed-lock and is a dead-beat dad and abuser is a success. he put his genes out there and thus wins from a darwinian standpoint.

wrong or failure in this light is simply not spreading ones genes. so the man who is charitable and perhaps does not have kids but gives to orphanages or even adopts a child or two (of the deadbeats children) is still by this natural definition a failure.

any thoughts?
Humankind have evolved into a societal animal...Due to adaptations this entails it no longer depends on Darwinian evolution or individual survival of the fittest procreation.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 06:23 AM   #3
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Actually: he who dies with the most toys - wins!
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Old August 12th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #4
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Humankind have evolved into a societal animal...Due to adaptations this entails it no longer depends on Darwinian evolution or individual survival of the fittest procreation.

so naturalism falls short of answering moral questions?

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Naturalism is "the idea or belief that only laws of nature (physical law) (as opposed to supernatural or spiritual) and forces operate in the world; the idea or belief that nothing exists beyond the natural world."[
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Old August 12th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #5
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This topic is about procreation. How did the subject change to morality?
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Old August 12th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #6
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"Right and successful " / "wrong and failure" were also included in the opening topic and these are very tied in with morality
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Old August 12th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #7
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"Right and successful " / "wrong and failure" were also included in the opening topic and these are very tied in with morality
But you corrected yourself right after the title to say you really meant "successful" rather than "right".
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You seem to prefer to debate semantics rather than the issue I put forth. I wonder why that would be.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 07:13 AM   #9
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You seem to prefer to debate semantics rather than the issue I put forth. I wonder why that would be.
I prefer stationary, rather than moving targets!
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I prefer stationary, rather than moving targets!
stop spinning around in circles and your environment should get stationary shortly.
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any thoughts?
I guess it was just a rhetorical question.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 02:13 PM   #12
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...about:

natural interpretations of right and wrong
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Old August 13th, 2014, 02:30 PM   #13
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natural interpretations of right and wrong
Well your actual question is quite nebulous.

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I disagree that procreation is the only success. Survival is the primary success. Procreation is merely icing on the cake.

But where "right & wrong" comes into the discussion, I have no clue.

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Well where would right and wrong come in? If it doesn't come in with naturalism where and when does it?
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Well where would right and wrong come in? If it doesn't come in with naturalism where and when does it?
tecoyah had a good answer; an individual running all by himself in the jungle would have no right nor wrong. But once part of a herd or pack or brood or flock or swarm or clan, one has common agreements with others about how to behave and how not to behave in order to get along and thrive as a group.
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You seem to prefer to debate semantics rather than the issue I put forth. I wonder why that would be.
Not sure he can.
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stop spinning around in circles and your environment should get stationary shortly.
Simple minds are entertained by spinning.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 08:26 AM   #19
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Not sure he can.
arturus88 & I are both sure I can, as he was fully satisfied with my answer.
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I disagree that procreation is the only success. Survival is the primary success. Procreation is merely icing on the cake.


Considering the incredible amount of children that need viable parents...should we not let them have access to them?
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But where "right & wrong" comes into the discussion, I have no clue.
Considering the incredible amount of children that need viable parents...should we not let them have access to them?


as for right and wrong you not only "Have a clue"...you have an opinion you wish to share.
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