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Old March 9th, 2017, 03:07 AM   #21
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I'm not so sure that this is accurate.

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The REAL measure of a country, would be DEVELOPMENT. How developed a country is. This is the one parameter that lifts a country out of poverty. Problem is, it is difficult to put a hard and fast number on it. It is like porn - we know it when we see it.
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In your introductory chart of "Population Below the Poverty %" from the from the Aufgeblassen Posting #11 (supra) --- you will notice that the bottom ranked country is "Israel." So I went to the UN Development Programme and looked-up Israel on the 2015 Human Development Index. You will notice that Israel ranks 18th World-wide. In fact, it is by far, the most developed country of ALL the Middle East and Persian Gulf Countries and any Arab League Nation across North Africa. That includes the Turkish Republic and every single oil rich country in the cartel.

While I would agree that the Human Development progress of any nation is a "Key Element," I would not say it is the most important aspect. Everything we have discussed contributes to net present value of any nation. That would even include such indicators as the technical and scientific measure such as the contributions to the world recognized by the award of Nobel Prizes.

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Old March 9th, 2017, 05:54 AM   #22
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Aufgeblassen, et al,

I'm not so sure that this is accurate.


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In your introductory chart of "Population Below the Poverty %" from the from the Aufgeblassen Posting #11 (supra) --- you will notice that the bottom ranked country is "Israel." So I went to the UN Development Programme and looked-up Israel on the 2015 Human Development Index. You will notice that Israel ranks 18th World-wide. In fact, it is by far, the most developed country of ALL the Middle East and Persian Gulf Countries and any Arab League Nation across North Africa. That includes the Turkish Republic and every single oil rich country in the cartel.

While I would agree that the Human Development progress of any nation is a "Key Element," I would not say it is the most important aspect. Everything we have discussed contributes to net present value of any nation. That would even include such indicators as the technical and scientific measure such as the contributions to the world recognized by the award of Nobel Prizes.

Just One Man's Opinion --- Respectfully,
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Are those TV commercials about sending money to Israel FAKE then? I think they say like 40% of Israelis are in poverty. That is understandable, with as much as Israel has to spend on defense from hostile neighbors all around and terrorists to boot.

I always say that the U.N. should have put Israel in a part of Greenland in 1948, instead of that hotbed, which was a very bad idea. The world might be terror-free now if they had thought the whole thing through better!
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Old March 9th, 2017, 06:24 AM   #23
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Are those TV commercials about sending money to Israel FAKE then? I think they say like 40% of Israelis are in poverty. That is understandable, with as much as Israel has to spend on defense from hostile neighbors all around and terrorists to boot.

I always say that the U.N. should have put Israel in a part of Greenland in 1948, instead of that hotbed, which was a very bad idea. The world might be terror-free now if they had thought the whole thing through better!
If we go by TV commercials the U.S. is full of starving children, homeless Veterans, Tortured pets, and limp dick men.
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Old March 9th, 2017, 08:36 AM   #24
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Well, there is all sorts of misinformation about Israel floating out there in cyberspace. And various Arab factions within the regional area are dedicated to producing anti-Western and Anti-Israel propaganda. It is very well produced and has just enough truth in it to sound credible.

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Are those TV commercials about sending money to Israel FAKE then? I think they say like 40% of Israelis are in poverty. That is understandable, with as much as Israel has to spend on defense from hostile neighbors all around and terrorists to boot.
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If you look at the actual figures, say from the CIA Fact Book - Israel (Page last updated on January 12, 2017), you will find that the actual numbers are like this:
• Labor force - by occupation:
agriculture: 1.1%
industry: 17.3%
services: 81.6% (2015 est.)
• Unemployment rate:
5% (2016 est.)
5.3% (2015 est.)
country comparison to the world: 53
• Population below poverty line: 22%
US Figures
This weekMonth agoYear agoUnemployment Rate4.84.84.9

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The official poverty rate is 13.5 percent, based on the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2015 estimates. That year, an estimated 43.1 million Americans lived in poverty according to the official measure. According to supplemental poverty measure, the poverty rate was 14.3 percent.

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I always say that the U.N. should have put Israel in a part of Greenland in 1948, instead of that hotbed, which was a very bad idea. The world might be terror-free now if they had thought the whole thing through better!
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Well, the UN did not decided the placement of Israeli immigration and the Jewish National Home. The was decided in 1920 by the Allied Powers (the Principle Victor of the Great War) at the San Remo Conference. This was utilizing the the Treaty of Lausanne, which replaced the Treaty of Sèvres, and which the complemented the Armistice of Mudros (the defeat of the Ottoman Empire).

In Article 16, to the Treaty of Lausanne, "Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers;" and "recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories" as decided by the Allied Powers.

The San Remo Conference, concluded in Arpril 1920, paved the way for the hand-off of the territories from control by the Occupied Enemy Territories Administration (OETA) to the Civil Administration established by the League of Nation Mandates in July 1920; in the case of the Jewish National Home, the Mandate for Palestine (1922) applied.
[FONT=Courier New]Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,[/FONT]
• But I digress here from the TOPIC and force myself back on the tracks.

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Old March 9th, 2017, 10:50 AM   #25
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Like I said, depending on which arbitrary groups you compare, you get VASTLY different results!

so called "income inequality" is a phony issue. The bleeding heart Libturds like to to milk 'em dry.

Chart below shows the middle class is EXPANDING.



Source: https://lanekenworthy.net/is-income-inequality-harmful/
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Old March 9th, 2017, 11:16 AM   #26
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The above is a GOOD comparison, as it shows the three main groups; upper class, middle class, and lower class.

Comparing top 1% to bottom 1% is JUST PLAIN STUPID.
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I think they say like 40% of Israelis are in poverty....
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---- --- Eek! --- Like Speak!!

I never suspected that you had sunk as low as that !! ---
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Old March 9th, 2017, 02:21 PM   #28
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I always say that the U.N. should have put Israel in a part of Greenland in 1948, instead of that hotbed, which was a very bad idea. The world might be terror-free now if they had thought the whole thing through better!
Sagacious, Bold and Turbulent of Wit....

I have a better idea.

Now, now --- don't everyone start offering me the Nobel Prize all at once; 'twarn't nothin' !


My program for solving the problems of the Mideast is, as usual, blindingly simple, clear and effective. The United States should, in that spirit of true generosity which it incessantly praises itself for possessing in great abundance, give the southern half of Florida to the state of Israel as New Israel, in exchange for removing itself from the Middle East. Surely, in common decency, considering the great evil which the US has inflicted on the Middle East for more than half-a-century, it is the least it can do. Jews obviously like Florida---there are so many there already---so the transition should be easy. After being cooped-up in that dangerous, god-forsaken, postage-stamp-sized desert where they are now, New Israel should make them happy as clams. They will come to see New Israel as the TRUE Land of Milk and Honey which was foretold in their scriptures.

It will be a win-win situation for everybody. The New Israelites will have a safe, clean, prosperous land to develop. They will finally be able to earn their own keep. The United States will no longer need to spend countless billions of dollars of its treasure in the vain attempt to prop up a doomed country in a hostile region. The Arabs will be over-joyed to take possession of the desert wasteland they covet so much. This sense of victory will give a much-needed boost to their sense of self-confidence after having defeated themselves in so many wars. I am sure that in exchange for this settlement of outstanding grievances they would gladly allow those few Jewish religious conservatives who did not want to emigrate to the fleshpots of New Israel to end their days in contentment, happily and peacefully banging their heads against the Wailing Wall.

Also, after a few years, when tempers have had time to cool down, the Arabs will probably be begging New Israelite technicians and scientists to return to the Middle East, in order to help them develop their economies and educational institutions. [That was the way Zionism was originally supposed to work---remember?]

It is true that there will be a few losers in the otherwise astounding perfection of this scheme. There will be a few fundamentalist Christians who will be deeply saddened that, due to the absence of a Jewish government in Jerusalem, the End of the World will have to be postponed. I would console them with the reflection that it is the Will of the Almighty that life be a vale of tears for the Elect of God.

Lastly---and this is the clincher---the consideration which will make the American people, nay, the people of the entire world, embrace this proposal with fervor: once this brilliant plan is implemented something finally will be done about global warming! The citizens of New Israel will move heaven and earth to prevent so much valuable real estate from being swallowed up by rising sea-levels!

I am in awe of the wondrous radiance of my beautiful mind!

I AM a True American!
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Old May 4th, 2017, 02:30 PM   #29
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Americans are not funny (except when they are being serious, of course ). They have no sense of humor. That is why they have to hire foreigners (usually Canadians, Jews and Englishmen) to teach them what to laugh at.

The most amusing (and, to a large degree, true!) series ever to air on American television was Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister. What wit! What finesse! Very droll!

The finest flowering of the post-war Ealing Studios was, of course, Kind Hearts and Coronets! What a priceless send-up of the Victorian Era --- and a bitter-sweet leave-taking of it!

The English sense of humor is the greatest accomplishment of the British people. It is a unique contribution to the human species, a "possession for the ages," which will still be living and fresh long after the transient and trivial British Empire is forgotten.

A college friend once wrote to me: "Sometimes I think that I learned everything I needed to know in first grade--and from British humorists."

A treat which has delighted me ever since I was a child, and which I re-play at least once a year, is "At the Drop of a Hat" by Swann & Flanders, an incredibly funny and sweet (and, of course, erudite) musical revue. Who could ever forget The Hippopotamus Song, the marvelous wom-pom, The Song of Reproduction, "Greenfleeves: funny title for a fong," "the garden's full of furniture, and the house is full of plants," "then it flashed through her mind what her mother had said, with her antepenultimate breath," and "that big six-wheeler, scarlet-painted, London transport, diesel-engine, 97-horsepower om-ni-bus."

One American who was funny (though it is his Jewish sensibility showing through) is Tom Lehrer: "Pollution! Pollution! Use the latest toothpaste, and then rinse your mouth with industrial waste!" And then there is his Vatican Rag: "First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosary, bow your head with great respect, and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!"

I will grudgingly admit that Abbott and Costello's Who's on First is worthy to be the "suppliance of a moment."
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Old May 5th, 2017, 03:59 AM   #30
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When I visited the Imperial Palace in Beijing, in the throne room, above the throne was a giant placard with the three Chinese characters "WEI WU WEI".

Literally, the three characters translate to: "DOING WITHOUT DOING".

However, in Chinese this really means something like ACHIEVE WITHOUT STRIVING.

This is a principle of Chinese civilization which has permeated that society for thousands of years, and which one ignores or violates at one's peril.

One small instantiation of this principle produced what the Japanese call jujitsu and aikido.

It is as fundamental to East Asian civilization as "love thy neighbor" has been to the culture of the West. Just as "love thy neighbor" has been endlessly violated by people in our culture, "wei wu wei" has been violated in the culture of east Asia --- but equally, one must recognize that each principle has had profound influences in their respective cultures.

It is utterly absurd to imagine that G.W. Bush or Trump could ever have, in the Oval Office, a plaque inscribed Achieve without Striving.

Though I could easily imagine that they should have one inscribed Strive without Achieving. ---
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When you lived in ancient imperial China as the emperor, "Achieve without Striving," is easy because your servants did everything for you.

Leftists wistfully long for a time when elitists ruled the foolish masses by force.
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I don't think Americans are that different from the rest of humanity
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Old May 6th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #32
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As I wrote somewhere before:

There are two mistakes you can make about people: one, is to think that they are different, the other, is to think that they are all the same
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Old May 8th, 2017, 02:40 PM   #33
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There are two mistakes you can make about people: one, is to think that they are different, the other, is to think that they are all the same
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OK.... doing "X" is the NON-MISTAKE.

Now, DEFINE "X".
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Old May 11th, 2017, 04:03 PM   #34
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The Masters of Life and Death have already accomplished wonders brainwashing and manipulating the common herd with television, mass entertainment and their many other techniques of mental control. In a hundred years, there is no reason to think that the human herd will not be robotized, with plastic tags stapled to their ears, and shipped off at regular intervals to the slaughter-houses.

Before that apotheosis of modern "civilization" occurs, of course, the whole basis of the ever-so-logical insanity of our society will have collapsed. The rich and powerful already have almost total control of all the levers and bells and whistles of modern life, but since they themselves suffer from the same insanities which they inculcate (witness the illiterate buffoon who now struts about as President), they will get (and are getting) themselves into the same stewpot they are preparing for the rest of us.

The rich and powerful have no interest in us (any more than we really have an interest in the lives of people who live in garbage dumps in Calcutta). They do begin to prick up their ears, however, when they themselves begin to suffer.

In the face of the economic and environmental catastrophes which are about to overwhelm us, they will rush about like chickens with their heads cut off, making ineffectual "reforms," and fail utterly ---- because they do not possess the courage, gumption and intelligence to get down to the fundamental changes which are necessary. The rich and powerful may destroy us, but they will also destroy themselves.

Therefore I am complacent about the future: the worst will not happen ---- but the future will be anything but pleasant.
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