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Old May 17th, 2018, 10:00 PM   #1
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Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (16)

Narrator: After walking many miles along a coastal area, the priest found a middle-aged man lying on a sandy beach. He seemed to be unconscious and his clothes were heavily clogged with water. The priest squatted down and patted him gently on the shoulder. After a while, the man slowly opened his eyes.

Priest: Dude, why are you lying here?

Middle-aged man: I have been drifting in the sea, I suppose, for several days.

Priest: Please elaborate on how you end up lying here.

Middle-aged man: I came from a remote pirate stronghold which was besieged by government troops, I think, about a week ago. After a fierce battle, the pirate chief nicknamed Captain Shrimp Roe and 19 other pirates managed to escape from the island in a small boat. Before boarding the boat, Captain Shrimp Roe gave an order that nobody, except himself and two other pirate lords, was allowed to carry weapons onboard.

On the way to another island, a storm appeared out of nowhere and the boat was tossed about in the huge waves. Captain Shrimp Roe ordered the other two pirate lords to draw their swords, saying: "To put it simply, we are standing at the crossroads of immense promise and great peril. It is entirely up to us whether we lift ourselves to new heights above the waves or let ourselves suck into the maelstrom of disrepair. As the chief of the pirates, I will always put our gang first.

In order to survive the storm, we have to reduce the load on the boat. Both of you have to force the unarmed men to jump into the sea. You should know how to deal with them if they put up stubborn resistance.”

Priest: So you were one of the unarmed pirates thrown overboard to lighten the boat, but you are lucky enough to survive in the end.

Middle-aged man: No, I am not an ordinary pirate but a pirate lord. As I was third in the leadership lineup, I had to obey Captain Shrimp Roe's command. The other pirate lord and I had no choice but help him slay all those unarmed pirates who refused to jump overboard.

Priest: Please tell me how you end up drifting in the sea.

Middle-aged man: At first, I thought the bloodshed was over with only three men remained onboard. Captain Shrimp Roe, however, said: "It's not over because the storm is not over. As a human, I will always put myself first, just like you, as humans, will always, and should always, put yourselves first."

Priest: I suppose you and the other pirate lord had engaged in a life-and-death struggle with Captain Shrimp Roe before you ended up drifting in the sea.

Middle-aged man: In the final battle, three of us stood on the boat with our swords drawn. The other two were standing at each end of the boat, while I was the unfortunate one to stand between them. Captain Shrimp Roe told me: "My dearest best friend, I can't bear to kill you with my own hands. Among the three of us, you are the least-skilled in swordsmanship, but you are the best swimmer of the gang. Hence you have a better chance of survival if you choose to jump overboard than to die under my sword."

While I was hesitating whether to swim or fight, I did not notice that he was inching towards me. Suddenly he gave me a kick and I fell overboard. I let go of my sword, and swam as hard as I could to stay atop the huge waves. As I drifted further and further away from the boat, the last thing I heard was the noise of clashing swords, shouting and screaming.

Priest: Do you know who the final victor is?

Middle-aged man: God knows. I was fortunate enough to cling to a piece of driftwood in the choppy seas. I was in a semi-conscious state, losing all sense of time. When I felt my body hitting something hard, I found myself lying here. I suppose I have been washed up ashore after drifting for several days in the sea. I was so exhausted that I fell into a deep slumber until I felt your warm hand on my shoulder.

Priest: What is your future plan?

Middle-aged man: I consider my old self as lying in the bottom of the sea, and my new self as having reborn here. I deeply regret the sins I committed in the past. I intend to turn over a new leaf by passing the rest of my life in a nearby cave, fishing, and growing fruits and vegetables.

Priest: There is a Chinese saying, "Once you let go of your butcher's knife, you will attain Buddhahood at once." To me, you are the final victor.

Narrator: The priest bid farewell to the former pirate lord and continued his journey to the Old Man's Mountain.

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delightful!

If I may, please allow me to deconstruct the rich puzzle within:


Captain Shrimp Roe is Donald Trump. the orange color of shrimp roe refers to the orange spray tanning color of Donald's skin at times.

He is the captain and in charge and you will note that he portrays a silly optimism...lifting oneself to the heights of waves is a temporary achievement in a stormy sea, no?

also, please note that he is telling his folks that "I will always put our gang first".which sounds great until you see that it morphs to an ultimately "me first" - selfish position:

"As a human, I will always put myself first, just like you, as humans, will always, and should always, put yourselves first"


the setting:

the seas are rough and these pirates have been forced to flee for survival.

Pirates are, I believe, are Americans. maybe referring to the notion that we have achieved greatness by stealing from others (Native Americans, African slaves, etc).


the chaotic nature of the story refers to the chaotic nature of our world today.

I don't know that all of the characters are important other than captain shrimp roe. all others are basically a narrative vantage point.

Reedak, please let me know if I have hit the mark and if I have I will provide a rebuttal to the story.

oh boy this is so exciting!
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for those ignorant of the joy of Asian cuisine:

Shrimp Roe:

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Old May 20th, 2018, 03:28 AM   #4
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delightful!

If I may, please allow me to deconstruct the rich puzzle within:


Captain Shrimp Roe is Donald Trump. the orange color of shrimp roe refers to the orange spray tanning color of Donald's skin at times....
Thank you for praising my tiny tale as "delightful", "so exciting" and having a “rich puzzle within”. You have hit half the mark with your in-depth analysis. If I mention the Monroe Doctrine, you will have an inkling why I call the pirate chief "Captain Shrimp Roe".

The Monroe Doctrine was first stated by President James Monroe during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress on December 2, 1823. Later the doctrine was extended to the "Big Brother" policy by James G. Blaine in the 1880s that aimed to rally Latin American nations behind US leadership and open their markets to US traders.

The Monroe Doctrine provoked outrage across Latin America when it was further extended by President Roosevelt to his "Big Stick" Latin American policy of "speaking low and carrying a big stick". Latin American countries argued that the Roosevelt corollary simply asserted US domination in that area, effectively making Uncle Sam a "hemispheric policeman".

Scholar Jay Sexton notes that the tactics used to implement the doctrine were "modelled after those employed by British imperialists" and their competition with the Spanish and French. Noam Chomsky argues that in practice the Monroe Doctrine has been used as a declaration of hegemony and a right of unilateral intervention over the Americas.

Chomsky has been a prominent critic of US imperialism which is an offshoot of the Monroe Doctrine. American imperialism is a policy aimed at extending the political, economic, and cultural control of the US government over areas beyond its boundaries. It can be accomplished in any number of ways: by military conquest, by treaty, by subsidization, by economic penetration through private companies followed by intervention when those interests are threatened, or by regime change.

The concept of expanding territorial control was popularized in the 19th century as the doctrine of Manifest Destiny and was realized through conquests such as the Mexican–American War of 1846, which resulted in the annexation of 525,000 square miles of Mexican territory. While the US government does not refer to itself as an empire, the continuing phenomenon has been acknowledged by mainstream Western writers including Max Boot, Arthur Schlesinger, and Niall Ferguson.

From the above deliberation of the Monroe Doctrine, it's obvious that the nickname of the pirate chief in my political satire has nothing to do with "the orange colour of shrimp roe". Neither has it anything to do with "the orange spray tanning colour of Donald's skin at times".

After all the long discussion about the Monroe Doctrine, let’s go straight to the answer.

The idea of "making a country great again" evokes nostalgia of the "good old days", the "golden age" or "past glory". To many American nationalists, it evokes memories of the Monroe Doctrine, Manifest Destiny and Westward Expansion.

Even as late as recently this year, after a speech at Texas University, Austin, Texas, the former US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson as he began a trip to Latin America praised the Monroe Doctrine as “clearly ...a success”, warning of “imperial” Chinese trade ambitions and touting the US as the region’s preferred trade partner.

It seems that Trump knows that to “Make America Great Again", America cannot stay behind an "intangible, physical, tall, power, beautiful southern border wall" to wield its power and influence solely in the Western Hemisphere. He seems to have in mind that to "Make America Great Again", America must extend the global reach of the Monroe Doctrine to exercise hegemony in the "new, new world order".

Hence, using the personalities of James Monroe and Donald Trump as “duality in unity” in my political satire, Captain Shrimp Roe personifies America as the global overlord or hegemon in the "new, new world order".

https://video.toggle.sg/en/series/ht...018/ep3/600180

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.27f2f309d3d6

Donald Trump's Mexico wall: Who is going to pay for it? - BBC News

https://www.history.com/topics/monroe-doctrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...JM_1136_01.jpg


P.S. Be patient please, I shall answer the rest of your questions.

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for those ignorant of the joy of Asian cuisine:

Shrimp Roe:

Eating roe is MURDERING babies!

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Old May 20th, 2018, 07:16 AM   #6
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for those ignorant of the joy of Asian cuisine:

Shrimp Roe:

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Eating roe is MURDERING babies!

Looks quite funny. My appreciation of your joke shows that we are not always at loggerheads.

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....He is the captain and in charge and you will note that he portrays a silly optimism...lifting oneself to the heights of waves is a temporary achievement in a stormy sea, no?...
Captain Shrimp Roe is the captain of a band of pirates, just as Donald Trump is "Captain America".

Actually I borrowed some words from Trump's 42-minute defiant and pugilistic speech that defended his "America first" foreign policy at the UN General Assembly hall of more than 150 delegations on September 19, 2017.

"To put it simply," Trump declared, "we meet at a time of both of immense promise and great peril. It is entirely up to us whether we lift the world to new heights or let it fall into a valley of disrepair."

Trump's immense promise to "lift the world to new heights" was meaningless to the 150 delegations at the UN General Assembly hall, as their countries are facing US protectionism and tariffs.

Just as Trump sometimes does not know what he is talking about, he also does not know what he is tweeting sometimes. For instance, he made an embarrassing gaffe of misspelling his wife Melania's name as "Melanie" in a hastily deleted tweet -- just imagine that, 13 years after their marriage.

I agree Trump portrays a silly optimism (at times). For instance, he reiterated that the US would still insist on unilateral denuclearisation of North Korea after the latter threatened to scrap the Kim-Trump summit next month, saying it has no interest in a "one-sided" affair meant to pressure it to abandon its nuclear weapons.

In my opinion, Kim was eyeing the "Iran model" of denuclearization at first when he held out an olive branch to Moon on April 27 this year. Hence it is not surprising that he did an about-turn on the denuclearisation talks after the US pulled out of the “defective” Iran nuclear deal. It seems that to achieve a diplomatic breakthrough in the North Korea nuclear crisis during his presidency, Trump will have to put back the "Iran model" on the table, even putting it into Kim's pocket.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.56fb52f9b07a

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...919-story.html

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world...cid=spartandhp

https://www.romper.com/p/how-long-ha...ter-what-10204

https://paperdabba.com/2018/05/17/no...will-go-ahead/

North Korea-US talks: Kim is in this for economic guarantees - BBC News

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/skorea-new...192035374.html

Trump announces U.S. withdrawal from 'defective' Iran deal - The Hindu

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ing-Iran-Deal/

https://www.thenational.ae/world/asi...ation-1.726173

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he made an embarrassing gaffe of misspelling his wife Melania's name as "Melanie" in a hastily deleted tweet -- just imagine that, 13 years after their marriage.
LOL! Like you've never, EVER misspelled something and sent it out.




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LOL! Like you've never, EVER misspelled something and sent it out.
Your wife will get a sock of her life to fine you become the laughing stork of your fiends for having gobbling up all the crocs, Trump sticks and chicken drumsteaks after saving a stock from the jaws of a choc in a zoo near a stork market.

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....also, please note that he is telling his folks that "I will always put our gang first".which sounds great until you see that it morphs to an ultimately "me first" - selfish position:

"As a human, I will always put myself first, just like you, as humans, will always, and should always, put yourselves first"...
As I have pointed out in an earlier post, I have borrowed some words on behalf of Captain Shrimp Roe from Trump's 42-minute defiant and pugilistic speech at the General Assembly hall of more than 150 delegations on September 19, 2017.

There is a joke among the Chinese that a kungfu master always saves for his own survival the "final stroke" that will deliver the coup de grace. He will never impart the skill of the master deathblow to anyone, not even to his supposedly most trusted disciple. Hence, the deadly secrets of Chinese kungfu would be reduced by one every generation. As time goes on, not much is left of the original Chinese martial art, and its standard will "fall into a valley of disrepair" (borrowing Trump's words).

President Trump, who co-authored with Tony Schwartz on "The Art of the Deal", was generous enough to impart his "master stroke" of diplomatic negotiation to the world in the above-mentioned speech on September 19, 2017.

"As president of the United States, I will always put America first, just like you, as the leaders of your countries, will always, and should always, put your countries first."

His argument does more harm than good to America's interests. By teaching the leaders of all countries to put their countries first, Trump will inevitably find himself negotiating with another "Trump" who, as a leader of his country, will always, and should always, put his country first. By encouraging all countries to put themselves first, America will inevitably find itself negotiating with another "America" which, as an abode for its people, will always, and should always, put itself and its people first.

Countries around the world have learned very fast. Firstly, they are obedient and attentive learners. Secondly, they are fast learners. For instance, maverick cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, a long-time adversary and ferocious critic of American policies in the Middle East, has won the most seats in Iraq's parliamentary election. In addition to his new domestic philosophy, Mr Sadr, 45, has honed an “Iraq First” foreign policy. His unexpected electoral haul immediately calls into question the continuing presence of US troops in Iraq. But his spokesman said Sadr supports honouring commitments between Iraq and the US concerning the training of Iraq's security forces and weapons purchases as long as they serve Iraq's interests and there "is no interference on the sovereignty of Iraq".

Everything is back to square one, and America's efforts in Iraq were in vain since its invasion in 2003.

Here is another example of a leader learning fast from the Great Negotiator to always put his country first.

In response to US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's warning on Monday (May 21) to hit with the "strongest sanctions in history", and his caution to European firms against continuing to do business with Iran, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani was quick to hit back at the spy chief turned politician:

"Who are you to decide for Iran and the world? The world today does not accept that the United States decides for the world. Countries have their independence...The world does not accept the logic by which a gentleman who was head of the spy service... decides for others.”

When every negotiator has become a Great Negotiator after mastering "The Art of the Deal", how will the Great Negotiator turned Great Teacher manage to beat his opponents at the negotiating table?

Proof Donald Trump Isn't Great at Negotiating | Fortune

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.56fb52f9b07a

Trump defends ?America first? foreign policy at U.N., threatens to ?totally destroy? North Korea - Chicago Tribune

Maverick cleric's election upset could rattle U.S.-Iraq relations - Chicago Tribune

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1IE091

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execut...Saddam_Hussein

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...in-iraq-begins

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-iran-10255110

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-for-them.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/so...nts-2015-09-03

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...bad-presidents

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Your wife will get a sock of her life to fine you become the laughing stork of your fiends for having gobbling up all the crocs, Trump sticks and chicken drumsteaks after saving a stock from the jaws of a choc in a zoo near a stork market.
Well your mother wears army boots too.

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Well your mother wears army boots too.

Watch your step, my dear sonny Ralph. Your sissy catwalk not only disgraces your beloved dad here but also makes your great granddad turn in his grave.

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Pirates are, I believe, are Americans. maybe referring to the notion that we have achieved greatness by stealing from others (Native Americans, African slaves, etc).
1. By now, it is obvious that the "pirates" in my political satire are not Americans but refer to states or regional blocs.

You have misinterpreted the symbolism of pirates in my political satire. However, your definition of "stealing" is correct, unlike Trump who has created and popularised a distorted definition of "stealing".

All the while even long after his presidential campaigns, he accuses every single country -- big (e.g. China, Japan, Mexico, Vietnam and India) and small (e.g. Singapore) -- of "stealing" jobs from the US. It is just like a small naughty boy throwing stones randomly at the crowd in the street below his window. Even Ireland is not spared in his accusation. Please note that about 10.5% of the total American population are of Irish ancestry.

2. Since Trump accuses the rest of the world of "stealing" jobs from the US, I choose pirates as characters to represent all other countries. Negative views of the US are generally widespread in the former Soviet countries, the Middle East, North Korea and certain European nations. Trump and many of his key policies are broadly unpopular around the globe, and ratings for the US have declined steeply in many nations.

In addition to the US as the supposedly sole superpower in the world, it has emerged as the new, new hegemon in the "new, new world order". Hence, I choose the character of a pirate chief nicknamed "Captain Shrimp Roe" to represent America in my political satire.

3. Let us take a closer look at the definition of "stealing" as applied to jobs in the following article.

According to https://www.theguardian.com/science/...aily-mail-says

(Begin excerpts)
Stealing. Most dictionaries define “steal” as some variation of “taking another person’s property without permission or legal right, and with no intention to return it”. You can steal a wide range of things from someone, and you can even do it metaphorically (“stolen my heart”, anyone?). But how do you steal someone’s job?

A job isn’t property in the strictest sense. It’s not a possession, a thing we can own. If anything, it’s more of an agreement. “I’ll do this service for you, and you’ll give money to me in return”. Is it possible to steal an agreement?

...The point is, by its very nature a job isn’t something that can really be stolen, as we’d understand the term.

Saying jobs are being “stolen”, rather than deliberately given to those who can be paid the least by the rich and powerful who award them in the first place, distorts the reality of the situation in clever and subtle ways. It keeps those who lose out focussed in the wrong place, and lets those responsible off the hook. (End excerpts)

https://video.toggle.sg/en/series/ht...018/ep3/600180

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/55279860.cms

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-...n-jobs-2320969

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/po...bs-from-the-us

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/28/news...ays/index.html

https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion...y-and-security

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Americans

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/...ps-leadership/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism

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He is the captain and in charge and you will note that he portrays a silly optimism...lifting oneself to the heights of waves is a temporary achievement in a stormy sea, no?
I wish to further elaborate on your so-called "silly optimism" of Trump. Amid growing doubts about whether President Trump will meet with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un on June 12, the Trump administration is accused of early celebration after minting commemorative coins for the Kim-Trump Summit. The coins, issued by the White House Communications Agency, a military unit assigned to the president, feature likenesses of the two leaders, referring to Mr Kim as “Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un” despite the fact there is no official title of that name in the country.

I noticed that Kim began to do an abrupt about-face on the summit after Trump cancelled the Iran deal. Had Trump cancelled the Iran deal before the PyeongChang 2018 Winter Olympic Games, I don't think Kim would ever respond to Moon's peace overture to participate in the games.

The whole embarrassing episode for Trump shows that South Korea and the US are poles apart in their views and dealings with North Korea.

To many South Koreans, particularly the supporters and advocates of the Sunshine Policy, they want peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula. What they dread in a situation of "no peace, no war" is the constant sabre-rattling from the North that would disrupt the economy, chase away investors and causing the stock market to plunge. They are not interested in the denuclearisation of North Korea for the following reasons:

(a) They don't believe that any North Korean leader is so brutal as to use a nuclear bomb against a people of the same race.

(b) It won't be surprising that a sizeable proportion of the South Korean population is proud that the North has become a de facto nuclear power because for a large part of its history Korea had been busy fighting off Chinese and Japanese invaders.

(c) Furthermore, deep in the hearts of most Koreans lives the dream of reunification.

Whatever happens, South Korea will make peace overtures to the North again and again -- just like a girl standing in a balcony every day in her attempt to attract the attention of the guy in the opposite balcony across the street.

Whether the planned summit between Kim and Trump will turn into a fiasco for the US and South Korea, there will always be another "Moon" coming out of nowhere to relaunch the Sunshine Policy or "Moonshine Policy" in the future.

Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (9a)

Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (10)

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/173772...challenge-coin

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...arly-celebrati

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8363261.html

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I wish to further elaborate on your so-called "silly optimism" of Trump. Amid growing doubts about whether President Trump will meet with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un on June 12, the Trump administration is accused of early celebration after minting commemorative coins for the Kim-Trump Summit. The coins, issued by the White House Communications Agency, a military unit assigned to the president, feature likenesses of the two leaders, referring to Mr Kim as “Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un” despite the fact there is no official title of that name in the country.

I noticed that Kim began to do an abrupt about-face on the summit after Trump cancelled the Iran deal. Had Trump cancelled the Iran deal before the PyeongChang 2018 Winter Olympic Games, I don't think Kim would ever respond to Moon's peace overture to participate in the games.

The whole embarrassing episode for Trump shows that South Korea and the US are poles apart in their views and dealings with North Korea.

To many South Koreans, particularly the supporters and advocates of the Sunshine Policy, they want peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula. What they dread in the situation of "no peace, no war" is the constant sabre-rattling from the North that would disrupt the economy, chase away investors and causing the stock market to plunge. They don't care very much about denuclearizing the North for the following reasons:

(a) They don't believe that any North Korean leader is so brutal as to use a nuclear bomb against a people of the same race.

(b) It won't be surprising that a sizeable proportion of the South Korean population is proud that the North has become a de facto nuclear power because for a large part of its history Korea had been busy fighting off Chinese and Japanese invaders.

(c) Furthermore, deep in the hearts of most Koreans lives the dream of reunification.

Whatever happens, South Korea will make peace overtures to the North again and again -- just like a girl standing in a balcony every day in her attempt to attract the attention of the guy in the opposite balcony across the street.

Whether the planned summit between Kim and Trump will turn into a fiasco for the US and South Korea, there will always be another "Moon" coming out of nowhere to relaunch the Sunshine Policy or "Moonshine Policy" in the future.

Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (9a)

Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (10)

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/173772...challenge-coin

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...arly-celebrati

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8363261.html
You seem very much "like a fish out of water" with your "predictions". You are just flipping & flopping about!

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I agree Trump portrays a silly optimism (at times). For instance, he reiterated that the US would still insist on unilateral denuclearisation of North Korea after the latter threatened to scrap the Kim-Trump summit next month, saying it has no interest in a "one-sided" affair meant to pressure it to abandon its nuclear weapons.

In my opinion, Kim was eyeing the "Iran model" of denuclearization at first when he held out an olive branch to Moon on April 27 this year. Hence it is not surprising that he did an about-turn on the denuclearisation talks after the US pulled out of the “defective” Iran nuclear deal. It seems that to achieve a diplomatic breakthrough in the North Korea nuclear crisis during his presidency, Trump will have to put back the "Iran model" on the table, even putting it into Kim's pocket.

I appreciate your opinion on why the summit was delayed but I see no evidence of that. Kim issued no statement saying he was pulling out due to US ending the Iran deal.

keep in mind, years ago Bill Clinton brokered a deal with NK that would supposedly end their capacity to make nukes, It was very much the Iran deal only in the 1990s. It did not work.

It is good to learn from historical mistakes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnc2UWA7BPY

we paid them money not to make nukes, and then they made nukes, probably with the money they were getting.

While Obama and Clinton were fools, Trump is not (at least when it comes to "deals"). He will not make a deal to have a "legacy" or to appear to be a diplomatic president. H
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You seem very much "like a fish out of water" with your "predictions". You are just flipping & flopping about!

Is that your new style of swimming? Seal style, perhaps? Your beloved mum is regretting for feeding you too much when you were a baby (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!). Now you look very much “like a big fat seal out of the water”!

I have to pull your ears long and hard, dear sonny. You are so forgetful. How many times have I told you I have been making "intelligent guesses", not "predictions"? Your beloved dad here has to smack your bottom hard when you reach home.

By the way, if you go outing with your father and wife you one day; and if both of them fall into the water, make sure to save your beloved dad first.

Here I have to point out that the following "intelligent guesses" of mine have come true.

1. Moon will visit North Korea within this year.

2. Denuclearising North Korea is as difficult as destroying the koramon's egg in my Political Satire: The Old Man of the Mountain (9a)

3. There is a big trade war between China and the US in 2018 (although the US continues denying it as it launches an undeclared, creeping trade war against China).

4. Trump will withdraw from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal.

5. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict (or Arab-Israeli conflict) could never be totally resolved". Recent events in the Middle East (such as the relocation of the US Embassy to Jerusalem) tend to reinforce my opinion or "intelligent guess".

6. Russia's return to the global stage:

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I appreciate your opinion on why the summit was delayed but I see no evidence of that. Kim issued no statement saying he was pulling out due to US ending the Iran deal.
All the three leaders of the Kim Dynasty, especially Kim Jong-Il, have proved themselves to be grandmasters of diplomatic deception. Since the end of the Korean War, they have outplayed all the Chinese leaders who have been trying hard to prevent them from obtaining the nuclear bomb.

When you know you are going to have a hard fight with a tough opponent, are you going to reveal your true intention or your next move to him?

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keep in mind, years ago Bill Clinton brokered a deal with NK that would supposedly end their capacity to make nukes, It was very much the Iran deal only in the 1990s. It did not work.
Absolutely right! That's why North Korea wants at least the same deal (which was very much the Iran deal, as pointed out by you) or the Iran deal if not a much better bargain this time as it has obtained the nuclear bomb. Once Trump announced the cancellation of the Iran deal, North Korea knows that it has no hope of getting what it wishes. That explains its abrupt about-turn on the summit.

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It is good to learn from historical mistakes...
It is good for the US to learn from historical mistakes. Likewise it is good for North Korea not only to learn from its historical shrewdness but to repeat it this time.

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we paid them money not to make nukes, and then they made nukes, probably with the money they were getting.

While Obama and Clinton were fools, Trump is not (at least when it comes to "deals"). He will not make a deal to have a "legacy" or to appear to be a diplomatic president.
Trump must not indulge in the illusion that he is going to the summit to disarm a defeated nation and bring back to the White House an iconic photo of a "Korean Hirohito" as his trophy or legacy.

Anyway, I look forward to the Kim-Trump summit as I am eager to know the outcome of "the Clash of the Titans of Diplomatic Deception".

North Korea Summit to Hinge on Trump/Kim Chemistry

https://warontherocks.com/2018/05/wa...mp-kim-summit/

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Trump Says U.S. Will No Longer Be ‘Piggy Bank That Everybody’s Robbing'



https://impeachtrump.net/trump-says-...bodys-robbing/

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Trump Says U.S. Will No Longer Be ‘Piggy Bank That Everybody’s Robbing'



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