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Old June 12th, 2013, 11:38 AM   #1
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pre-existence of souls?

what are your thoughts on souls?

did they pre-exist before the physical human body (pre-existence model)and are implanted into the human at conception or are they created with the body at the time of conception (co-created model)?

i tend to go for the pre-existence model. it seems that God could place a soul into a particular life so as to allow for a particular set of tests or particular bit of learning.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 02:04 PM   #2
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what are your thoughts on souls?

did they pre-exist before the physical human body (pre-existence model)and are implanted into the human at conception or are they created with the body at the time of conception (co-created model)?

i tend to go for the pre-existence model. it seems that God could place a soul into a particular life so as to allow for a particular set of tests or particular bit of learning.
In my opinion, the use of the term "God" cheapens the concept of a soul....kinda takes it down a notch by extension.

Might be we are energy beings placed into a physical form for experience....who knows.

No need to make something up just because we don't understand it.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #3
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In my opinion, the use of the term "God" cheapens the concept of a soul....kinda takes it down a notch by extension.

Might be we are energy beings placed into a physical form for experience....who knows.

No need to make something up just because we don't understand it.
i guess i dont get why that would cheapen it?

if you zoom in on a lone cell, you can obtain some specific observable knowledge about that cell.

However, if you zoom out and see how it interacts with other cells and how it is even a part of a larger body, this may give you additional, broader and even more useable knowledge.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 12:29 PM   #4
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i guess i dont get why that would cheapen it?

if you zoom in on a lone cell, you can obtain some specific observable knowledge about that cell.

However, if you zoom out and see how it interacts with other cells and how it is even a part of a larger body, this may give you additional, broader and even more useable knowledge.
Very true, I suppose I do not quite understand how that tries into the concept of "Soul", or how tying it to a God helps it's study.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #5
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I'm of the opinion that the soul is just the results of brain activity and thus can't exist in a lower liform or before a life exist. As for whether it survives after death... Well there is serious scientific studies into out of body experiences and reincarnation (and some existing results in the latter's case). This would of course seem to contradict my previous point though I'm not convinced about out of body experiences and think reincarnation could be a sign of as yet undiscovered genetic memory in humans.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 04:38 AM   #6
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what are your thoughts on souls?

did they pre-exist before the physical human body (pre-existence model)and are implanted into the human at conception or are they created with the body at the time of conception (co-created model)?

i tend to go for the pre-existence model. it seems that God could place a soul into a particular life so as to allow for a particular set of tests or particular bit of learning.
I never met one, anywhere, ever, and I seem to have missed out on the distribution.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #7
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In my opinion, the use of the term "God" cheapens the concept of a soul....kinda takes it down a notch by extension.

Might be we are energy beings placed into a physical form for experience....who knows.

No need to make something up just because we don't understand it.
IMO, thinking of us as separate entities outside of our mortal existence makes us lesser. Instead of "souls" before and/or after dead, I look at the cycle of rain;

Water vaporizes out of the great ocean, precipitates and falls back as individual rain drops before finally rejoining great ocean. Does the raindrop cease to exist when it hits the ocean? No. Does that same raindrop reappear later? Never.

I think the same goes with what we think of as "souls". We're temporary raindrops simply enjoying a brief moment alone before rejoining all the other raindrops in the great ocean.

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Old July 3rd, 2013, 02:05 PM   #8
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They did not exist before actual live birth. Even at the split second of live birth it does not, but it rapidly develops, as one uses their 5 senses to interact with the world around them.
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So abortions aren't a problem for you. Good. Me neither.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 06:26 PM   #10
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So abortions aren't a problem for you. Good. Me neither.
What I mean, is that your soul is your personality. As in "Old King Cole was a merry old soul".
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What I mean, is that your soul is your personality. As in "Old King Cole was a merry old soul".
In other words...God does not breath the soul into us?
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Old July 4th, 2013, 06:19 AM   #12
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In other words...God does not breath the soul into us?
Our DNA, along with environmental stimulus throughout our lives determine our soul.
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Our DNA, along with environmental stimulus throughout our lives determine our soul.
I see the "soul", as nothing more than humankind pretending we are exceptional in the animal kingdom.....which is not needed.

The soul to me is simply self awareness, and conceit.

Yeah....we are special, the current top of the heap.

But, the idea of a soul is a pointless venture into imagined greatness.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 05:03 AM   #14
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The bottom line, is that the soul dies when the body dies, and therefore the soul begins when a body leaves the mother's body.
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The bottom line, is that the soul dies when the body dies, and therefore the soul begins when a body leaves the mother's body.
If you don't mind me asking, what religion are you? That's a pretty unorthodox view.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 05:45 AM   #16
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If you don't mind me asking, what religion are you? That's a pretty unorthodox view.
I am neutral. Actually more accurately, the soul dies (or at least partially dies) even before the body completely dies, in such cases as Alzheimer's, persistent vegetative state, etc.
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What I mean, is that your soul is your personality. As in "Old King Cole was a merry old soul".
Partially. I think, more directly, a soul is the essence of what makes a person that particular person. Personality is only part of it. Psychologically, a child's personality isn't set until they are at least a couple of years old....if then.

Personality can be defined as set of characteristics or traits of a person

Personality Set for Life By 1st Grade, Study Suggests | LiveScience

Personality changes for the better with age

Personality Is Not Set By 30; It Can Change Throughout Life
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Partially. I think, more directly, a soul is the essence of what makes a person that particular person. Personality is only part of it. Psychologically, a child's personality isn't set until they are at least a couple of years old....if then.

Personality can be defined as set of characteristics or traits of a person

Personality Set for Life By 1st Grade, Study Suggests | LiveScience

Personality changes for the better with age

Personality Is Not Set By 30; It Can Change Throughout Life
so its bigger than personality?

i agree. more appropriately, the personality is just one physical manifestation of the soul.

this life may simply be intended as a refinement of the soul(s).
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To me the soul is the energy that animates the biological form. It must exist prior to the existence of the body in that case.
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Of all the synonyms for SOUL they are, I find INDIVIDUALITY the most appropriate. Not the zygote, embryo, or fetus develop any individuality until T-0 (birth). Therefore that is the exact moment the very beginning of the creation of the soul. The development of the soul is a life-long process.

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