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Old May 20th, 2016, 07:48 AM   #21
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weak example? maybe, but it doesn't have to be a strong one to refute this weak (and frankly racist) claim...



don't forget Pakistan (not all arab) and boko haram (african, not arab).
Pakistan is simply a failed state, and an organization called 'Western Education Is Bad' speaks for itself.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 07:58 AM   #22
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Pakistan is simply a failed state, and an organization called 'Western Education Is Bad' speaks for itself.
in other words, its the ideology driving it, not the ethnicity.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 08:09 AM   #23
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I have to disagree with this. If you read the Quran in a contemporary historical context (unlike the Torah and Gospels the thing was actually written by Muhammad himself) the violent passages become tied to wartime and thus situational. Brutal to be sure but it was the 7th century. The Hadiths on the other hand were written AFTER he died and have a suspicious tendency to justify the ruling order of the time. If you reject them as political rather than theological works, Islam becomes a mostly peaceful religion with guidelines for how a pious Muslim should conduct themselves in war.

Islamists reject the above and are very much the threat you claim them to be. That said, most (and by most, I'm talking ~80%) Muslims agree with my interpretation of the Quran and a not insignificant minority also agree with my rejection of the Hadiths.


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Classical scholars argued that anyone who studied the Qur'an without having mastered the doctrine of abrogation would be "deficient."Those who do not accept abrogation fall outside the mainstream and, perhaps, even the religion itself.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 08:09 AM   #24
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in other words, its the ideology driving it, not the ethnicity.
When the ideology instructs the ethnicity and culture....it is BOTH. Thus do I freely admit to being biased against or Bigoted if you prefer toward Islam and Middle Eastern peoples in general. That's just the way it is based on both my personal experience and world affairs.
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When the ideology instructs the ethnicity and culture....it is BOTH. Thus do I freely admit to being biased against or Bigoted if you prefer toward Islam and Middle Eastern peoples in general. That's just the way it is based on both my personal experience and world affairs.
i agree. A culture that readily accepts and propagates the poison shares the blame. I'm just highlighting some liberal cognitive dissonance for sport.
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in other words, its the ideology driving it, not the ethnicity.
And yet American Muslims (mostly Anglo-Americans) live out their lives totally unnoticed by you or anyone else who doesn't personally know them. Same religion as the nuts in the Mideast, different culture.
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And yet American Muslims (mostly Anglo-Americans) live out their lives totally unnoticed by you ...
oh I notice them alright, and if at all possible I try to stay out of suicide-bomb blast range of them.
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oh I notice them alright, and if at all possible I try to stay out of suicide-bomb blast range of them.
Now you just sound irrationally paranoid.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 06:48 AM   #29
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oh I notice them alright, and if at all possible I try to stay out of suicide-bomb blast range of them.
And how do you notice a Muslim who also happens to be a battle flag waving, Ford pickup driving redneck? The lack of a Budweiser in their hands? Unless you know them, they evangelize or you see them walking into a mosque the typical American Muslim is invisible.
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And how do you notice a Muslim who also happens to be a battle flag waving, Ford pickup driving redneck? The lack of a Budweiser in their hands? Unless you know them, they evangelize or you see them walking into a mosque the typical American Muslim is invisible.

I was being humorous. I don't really try to avoid their suicide bomb blast diameter.

in fact, I've known quite a few. been in a mosque, served in the military with a few, befriended one, dated and ex-muslim Egyptian once. but of all the ones I've known none were..."battle flag waving, ford pickup driving redneck".

you seek to propagate a liberal myth.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 08:16 AM   #31
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The simple reality is that no one will be able to differentiate a bad Muslim from an Islamic Jihadist. Still, as I personally find the entire religion and Middle Eastern culture to be unpleasant I simply avoid ANYONE wearing Muslim garb or of obvious ME descent.

I understand this can be seen as prejudice....but I just no longer care. I am free to associate and befriend who I wish.
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