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Old May 5th, 2016, 12:36 PM   #41
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Islam can most certainly be termed as "Evil", unless you are Muslim. Thus the term is not a useful description.
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Old May 5th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #42
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Islam can most certainly be termed as "Evil", unless you are Muslim. Thus the term is not a useful description.
You mean "extremist Islam" (just like extremist Christians could be called evil).

Millions of Muslims go thru their lives w/o perpetrating evil deeds.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 04:17 AM   #43
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You mean "extremist Islam" (just like extremist Christians could be called evil).

Millions of Muslims go thru their lives w/o perpetrating evil deeds.

islam is extreme.

an extreme muslim wants to cut off your head; a moderate muslim wants an extreme muslim to cut off your head.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 04:21 AM   #44
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islam is extreme.

an extreme muslim wants to cut off your head; a moderate muslim wants an extreme muslim to cut off your head.
I'd like to see an actual pol of moderate Muslims that says your speculation is actually true.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 04:28 AM   #45
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I'm highly confident that in the U.S.A., the number of Muslims that say violence could NEVER be justified is MUCH higher than in Europe.

A 2010 Zogby poll reported that 69% of American Muslims supported stronger laws to fight terrorism.

In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[29] in Europe:

(36 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
(30 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
(17 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 6% sometimes, and 1% thought it could be justified often.
(31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 04:47 AM   #46
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I'm highly confident that in the U.S.A., the number of Muslims that say violence could NEVER be justified is MUCH higher than in Europe.

When I was in undergrad I took a world religions class, and we had a muslim cleric come and talk about the virtues of islam. During this time there were a number of suicide bombings going on in Israel . I asked him if he felt suicide bombings were justified. his answer was an emphatic "Yes!"

When I asked, what about all the loss of innocent life, he answered, "Who is innocent!?"

His face got red and he seemed pretty hostile after that. needless to say, I don't think he made any converts in our class that day.


After 9-11, I was driving by a college and I saw dozens of arab students giving each other the peace sign. it didn't dawn on me that it wasn't a peace sign but a victory sign, until that night on the news, I saw this going on throughout muslim nations around the world, celebrating their collective muslim victory of 9-11.

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When I was in undergrad I took a world religions class, and we had a muslim cleric come and talk about the virtues of islam. During this time there were a number of suicide bombings going on in Israel . I asked him if he felt suicide bombings were justified. his answer was an emphatic "Yes!"

When I asked, what about all the loss of innocent life, he answered, "Who is innocent!?"

His face got red and he seemed pretty hostile after that. needless to say, I don't think he made any converts in our class that day.


After 9-11, I was driving by a college and I saw dozens of arab students giving each other the peace sign. it didn't dawn on me that it wasn't a peace sign but a victory sign, until that night on the news, I saw this going on throughout muslim nations around the world, celebrating their collective muslim victory of 9-11.
Both sides are WRONG in their behavior in the Israeli situation, in turn making both sides effectively "justified". A catch-22 situation.

As far as the last part, since you are not a mind reader, you don't know in fact they were NOT the peace sign. Here in AMERICA, that is what it means, despite meaning something else elsewhere.

Even if they were meant as a "victory sign" the phrase "highly isolated incident" applies.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 05:22 AM   #48
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Furthermore,

Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.

Favorable views of ISIS are somewhat higher in Nigeria (14%) than most other nations. Among Nigerian Muslims, 20% say they see ISIS favorably (compared with 7% of Nigerian Christians). The Nigerian militant group Boko Haram, which has been conducting a terrorist campaign in the country for years, has sworn allegiance to ISIS.

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

In many cases, people in countries with large Muslim populations are as concerned as Western nations about the threat of Islamic extremism, and have become increasingly concerned in recent years. About two-thirds of people in Nigeria (68%) and Lebanon (67%) said earlier this year they are very concerned about Islamic extremism in their country, both up significantly since 2013.

Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world | Pew Research Center
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Old May 6th, 2016, 06:03 AM   #49
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Both sides are WRONG in their behavior in the Israeli situation, in turn making both sides effectively "justified". A catch-22 situation.
Are you saying a Palestinian walking on a bus and blowing himself up along with men, women and children who never did anything to him are justified?

or are you just trolling here?
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Old May 6th, 2016, 06:30 AM   #50
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Are you saying a Palestinian walking on a bus and blowing himself up along with men, women and children who never did anything to him are justified?

or are you just trolling here?
I firmly believe those that perpetrate such an evil act believe they are justified, especially after right Israel had a massive air attack that killed dozens of innocent women and children was equally an evil act.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 07:06 AM   #51
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I firmly believe those that perpetrate such an evil act believe they are justified, especially after right Israel had ...
I'm asking if you believe they are justified.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 07:13 AM   #52
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I'm asking if you believe they are justified.
I think you already know the answer.
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Old May 17th, 2016, 05:29 AM   #53
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The 2014 genocide in Sinjar is not over yet - there is a long way to go!
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Old May 17th, 2016, 05:37 AM   #54
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You sound excited about it.
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Old May 17th, 2016, 06:59 AM   #55
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You sound excited about it.
I just copied and pasted the url. it is upsetting the genocide that is occurring with these yazidi peoples. women and children used as sex slaves. burning people alive, crucifying people.

all in the name of evil islam.
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Old May 17th, 2016, 07:57 AM   #56
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I just copied and pasted the url. it is upsetting the genocide that is occurring with these yazidi peoples. women and children used as sex slaves. burning people alive, crucifying people.

all in the name of evil islam.
All in the name of an evil god. Outside the West, Christians are just as bad.
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Old May 17th, 2016, 08:42 AM   #57
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...Outside the West, Christians are just as bad.

That just doesn't jibe with reality.
Even ardent atheists are coming around on this point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLy7cJz_mY

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That just doesn't jibe with reality.
Even ardent atheists are coming around on this point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLy7cJz_mY
As an "Ardent Atheist" I can certainly agree that Christianity is less violent that Islam...but, both do terrible things to everyone else in the name of books of fiction written about imagined sky fairies.
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Old May 17th, 2016, 09:40 AM   #59
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One can still be an atheist or liberal while observing honest differences. it's critical thinking.

imagine a scientist studying chemicals, diseases, or language and sweeping all the nuances of difference under the rug for the sake of some false equality.

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The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal."
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That just doesn't jibe with reality.
Even ardent atheists are coming around on this point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLy7cJz_mY
And yet it's nothing but bad news coming out of Russia and Africa when it comes to Christians. Just because a fact is inconvenient doesn't change anything.
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