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Old October 20th, 2017, 01:24 AM   #1
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Trump starts a war....Early.

"“Our religious liberty is enshrined in the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights. The American founders invoked our Creator four times in the Declaration of Independence,” Trump said. “Benjamin Franklin reminded his colleague at the Constitutional Convention to begin by bowing their heads in prayer. I remind you that we’re going to start saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again.”

And so it begins again. It would seem the war on Xmas has begun early this year. This has become such a joke that it makes me want to just Ignore the damn holiday, unfortunately it is impossible to ignore if you walk into ANY store in America. We need to go back to Saturnalia and have a huge Party/Orgy for a week instead of a two month shopping stress test.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #2
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Such a first world problem.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 09:16 PM   #3
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They never said WHICH creator though. That was a point being made, not a reference to Yahweh. You can say that the Founders weren't atheists but that's all. Several were quite vocally NOT Christian, Jefferson and his Bible parody being my favorite example.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #4
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They never said WHICH creator though. That was a point being made, not a reference to Yahweh. You can say that the Founders weren't atheists but that's all. Several were quite vocally NOT Christian, Jefferson and his Bible parody being my favorite example.
I agree it's ambiguous
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Old October 21st, 2017, 12:04 AM   #5
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I agree it's ambiguous
I don't think anyone familiar with the Founders misunderstands, they were prolific writers and made their opinions clear. Christians twisting their words to push an agenda is most annoying.
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