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Old February 7th, 2017, 07:11 AM   #81
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But that's not the same as atheism. Everyone knows who god is when born, their literal creator is overwhelmingly looming over them at birth.

This reminds me of a NatGeo article I read a few years back. The reporter met with a hunter gather group without religion (and not becuase of any inherent atheism, an equally alien concept to them). The reporter asked them if they had a god and after explaining the concept the interpreter pointed at the sun.

The point is as I stated before: Humans aren't atheists, we simply have no firm opinions on the subject until life experience forms them. If atheism was the natural state, religion would never have taken root. Instead early civilizations are full of examples of nature and family worship and later more recognizable religions that reflected to social hierarchy of the given society. Your atheism is no less a learned thing than my religion.
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Old February 9th, 2017, 12:00 PM   #82
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deanhill, et al,

When one invokes "atheism." one implies that their is a Supreme Being (SB) or Ultimate Cosmic Creator (UCC). When one suggests that there is a mystical and magical quality to the Big Bang Theory (or similar hypothesis), again in the background the latent connection to a SB or UCC is that one caused the other.

The Question on the Existence of the SB/UCC and the Beginning of the Universe initiates a cascade series of events that bring us forward to contemporary man.

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It seems like atheists want me to believe that the universe just magically appeared. This is a hillarious theory which most people laugh at. Th euniverse is just too balanced and too orderly.
I don't think they would believe that the universe just magically appeared. There would have to be scientific evidence for the "magic"
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There are to key issues (as used here) that must be kept in mind in discussions such as this:

• There is no universally accepted set of characteristic associated with the SB/UCC.
• Faith is a firm belief in a divinity for which there is no proof; but invokes a strong and powerful conviction.
• Science is based on observable empirical evidence as the basis of that understanding
Faith requires a strong and powerful conviction; whereas Science requires observable empirical evidence.

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Ancient Greeks believed that the universe was immutable; that no UCC that formed the universe. The universe was un-created. The Ancient Greeks believed that the SB (multiple divinities) were responsible for bringing order to the Universe, but did not create the universe (it was always there).

The more Ancient Hebrew philosophers held that the Universe did not always exist, but was a creation of the UCC/SB (a single divinity).
The discussion is over the reduced argument:

• If the Universe began (suddenly appeared where nothing existed before) to exist, the the has a cause of its beginning.

§ Can something be created out of nothing?
§ What is "nothing?"
There must be some very difficult questions that must be examined before, in science, the the divine can be ruled-out.

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Old February 9th, 2017, 12:08 PM   #83
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WHY do you keep saying "et al" you stooge maniac???!!!
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Old February 9th, 2017, 12:20 PM   #84
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WHY do you keep saying "et al" you stooge maniac???!!!
Those of minimal intelligence would know or at a minimum be capable of looking it up.

"From Latin, abbreviation of et (“and”) and alii (“others”) (English: et alii) and its ... However, in lists of authors of a published work, et al. is still regularly used."
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Old February 9th, 2017, 12:32 PM   #85
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Those of minimal intelligence would know or at a minimum be capable of looking it up.

"From Latin, abbreviation of et (“and”) and alii (“others”) (English: et alii) and its ... However, in lists of authors of a published work, et al. is still regularly used."
In spite of the hoopla, question not answered (yet).
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In spite of the hoopla, question not answered (yet).
It IS answered but as suggested you lack the intellect required to comprehend the answer.
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Old February 9th, 2017, 01:27 PM   #87
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It IS answered but as suggested you lack the intellect required to comprehend the answer.
BUT.... the frequent user of it appears to be using it inappropriately! (just to appear "cool", I guess)
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It IS answered but as suggested you lack the intellect required to comprehend the answer.

That seems mean-spirited and unnecessary.

He didn't say "what does 'et al' mean."

He did say "why do you keep saying it"

I know Aufgablassen personally and can attest that he is actually quite intelligent.
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That seems mean-spirited and unnecessary.

He didn't say "what does 'et al' mean."

He did say "why do you keep saying it"

I know Aufgablassen personally and can attest that he is actually quite intelligent.
It seems very clear to me at least that stating tecoyah et al indicates tecoyah and others. If by chance my explaining that NOT being able to understand this is an insult I suggest getting testicle seeds and attempting to grow them.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 06:55 AM   #90
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That seems mean-spirited and unnecessary.

He didn't say "what does 'et al' mean."

He did say "why do you keep saying it"

I know Aufgablassen personally and can attest that he is actually quite intelligent.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 07:28 AM   #91
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It seems very clear to me at least that stating tecoyah et al indicates tecoyah and others. If by chance my explaining that NOT being able to understand this is an insult I suggest getting testicle seeds and attempting to grow them.

you seem unable to understand that he may have not misunderstood.

If I consistently addressed you "dearly beloved leader" instead of "admin", or "mod", or tecoyah. you may know the meaning of the words "dearly beloved leader", but may not know the reason or context for their use in the particular situation.

So dearly beloved leader, insult away.
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My sincere condolences!
No need to apologize! Intelligence doesn't hurt!
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He didn't say "what does 'et al' mean."

He did say "why do you keep saying it"
Yeah, I mean in a public forum it is understood that everybody and their brother is viewing.
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No need to apologize! Intelligence doesn't hurt!
An intelligent person would know that condolences are not apologies.
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An intelligent person would know that condolences are not apologies.
But saying you are sorry for something, can mean either an apology or a condolence. It can be both given or taken either way.

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But saying you are sorry for something, can mean either an apology or a condolence. It can be both given or taken either way.
Thus the person of intelligence aspect...as in thinking.
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Old February 11th, 2017, 05:42 AM   #97
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Thus the person of intelligence aspect...as in thinking.
But..... there is emotion too, whereby you take things the way you want to hear them. Like the lady on the PODS storage commercial, where she hears "freeload" instead of "unload".
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But saying you are sorry for something, can mean either an apology or a condolence. It can be both given or taken either way.

Except that wasn't what I actually posted!
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Except that wasn't what I actually posted!
Well then there now.

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Why do atheists believe in magic?


pingpong, et al,

While it may be the case that "some" atheists believe in "magic," that is not to say that there is some latent framework that compels atheists to establishes a (non-objective) relationship with some supernatural entity that was the Ultimate Cosmic Creator (UCC).

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It seems like atheists want me to believe that the universe just magically appeared. This is a hillarious theory which most people laugh at. The universe is just too balanced and too orderly.
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Philosophically, atheist do not care, one way or the other, about the influence of the supernatural on scientific inquiry or discovery. The scientific process is objective:

  1. Make observations.
  2. Propose a hypothesis.
  3. Design and perform an experiment to test the hypothesis.
  4. Analyze your data to determine whether to accept or reject the hypothesis.
  5. If necessary, propose and test a new hypothesis.
The process is clean. The process does not have a supernatural component.

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